(LSJ) Julius + Rubicon

Hi! If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? What if Julius doesn't play Mummify, but Nana strikes Slam which sends Julius to torpor triggering his burning text? Can the other vampire play Rubicon then? Julius Clan: Caitiff (group 2) Capacity: 1 Disciplines: qui ser Camarilla: If Julius goes into torpor, burn him. Rubicon Type: Action Requires: titled +1 stealth action. Requires a titled vampire. (D) Burn a younger non-titled vampire who has burned one of your non- Red List vampires since your last turn. Mummify Type: Combat Requires: Serpentis [ser] Strike: combat ends. This vampire untaps and goes into torpor; put this card on the vampire. This vampire cannot attempt a leave torpor action. Burn this card if the vampire leaves torpor. [SER] As above, but this vampire may attempt a leave torpor action.

botipeti wrote: > Hi! > > If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike > and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as > Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? Yes. > What if Julius doesn't play Mummify, but Nana strikes Slam which sends > Julius to torpor triggering his burning text? Can the other vampire > play Rubicon then? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] > > [SER] As above, but this vampire may attempt a leave torpor action.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - ok , thats completly nuts ^^ , ill build a deck

[ quoted text not captured ] > ok , thats completly nuts ^^ , ill build a deck- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn - > > - Vis tekst i anførselstegn - I totally agree. Nuts in the awesome way of course.

On Sep 22, 2:57 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" [ quoted text not captured ] > Nuts in the awesome way of course.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Indeed awesome. So the deck would be Julius, mummify, Rubicon and Possession possibly. Hah, off to see what I can build! /Ivan

On Sep 22, 12:59 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Hi! > > > If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike > > and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as > > Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? > > Yes. Can you elaborate that one a bit? I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned Julius. [ quoted text not captured ]

henrik wrote: > On Sep 22, 12:59 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >>> Hi! >>> If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike >>> and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as >>> Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? >> Yes. > > Can you elaborate that one a bit? > I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned > Julius. Nana is the opposing minion. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e9571d940dfbfb38

[ quoted text not captured ] > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e957... They're not in combat though. The combat is ended by Mummify before Julius is burned (sent to torpor), or am I missing something? If Nana attempted to strike Julius with Sengir Dagger and someone played Rotschreck on him, would Rubicon be playable on Nana in that case as well?

Any deck with Julius in it is awesome by default. Having Julius actually do something constructive is just added awesomeness sprikled on top.

henrik wrote: > On Sep 22, 3:49 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> henrik wrote: >>> On Sep 22, 12:59 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike >>>>> and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as >>>>> Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? >>>> Yes. >>> Can you elaborate that one a bit? >>> I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned >>> Julius. >> Nana is the opposing minion. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e957... > > They're not in combat though. The combat is ended by Mummify before > Julius is burned (sent to torpor), or am I missing something? Hrm. Right. Mummify's untap effect goes off in combat, but the torpor part happens after. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f92b7b8fcd028a33 So it doesn't work for Rubicon after all.

On Sep 22, 5:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >>>>> If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike > >>>>> and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as > >>>>> Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? > >>>> Yes. > >>> Can you elaborate that one a bit? > >>> I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned > >>> Julius. > >> Nana is the opposing minion. > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e957... > > > They're not in combat though. The combat is ended by Mummify before > > Julius is burned (sent to torpor), or am I missing something? > > Hrm. Right. Mummify's untap effect goes off in combat, but the torpor part > happens after. > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f92b... > > So it doesn't work for Rubicon after all. Current card text of Mummify seems to say that the untap happens after combat has ended as well. I suppose that changes the old Psyche!- ruling slightly. Copied from white-wolf.com: Mummify [AH:U5] Cardtype: Combat Discipline: Serpentis [ser] Strike: combat ends. This vampire untaps and goes into torpor; put this card on the vampire. This vampire cannot {attempt a leave torpor action}. Burn this card if the vampire leaves torpor. [ quoted text not captured ]

henrik wrote: > On Sep 22, 5:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike >>>>>>> and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as >>>>>>> Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? >>>>>> Yes. >>>>> Can you elaborate that one a bit? >>>>> I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned >>>>> Julius. >>>> Nana is the opposing minion. >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e957... >>> They're not in combat though. The combat is ended by Mummify before >>> Julius is burned (sent to torpor), or am I missing something? >> Hrm. Right. Mummify's untap effect goes off in combat, but the torpor part >> happens after. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f92b... >> >> So it doesn't work for Rubicon after all. > > Current card text of Mummify seems to say that the untap happens after > combat has ended as well. But it doesn't. http://www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR512.txt Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a new combat is started. (Changes: Rotschreck followed by Fast Reaction or Psyche! will nullify the torpor effect.) Note that this doesn't apply to end combat and untap effects - the untap effect is not delayed to after combat

> > What if Julius doesn't play Mummify, but Nana strikes Slam which sends > > Julius to torpor triggering his burning text? Can the other vampire > > play Rubicon then? > > Yes. Is this part still true or also not?

[ quoted text not captured ] "It doesn't work" http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3221bfee286c1076

[ quoted text not captured ] > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3221... Well, in this message you only talked about Mummify's torpor effect. I meant what happens when Julius goes to torpor in combat (for example Nana strikes him with a Slam).

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh, sorry. Right: if he burns in combat, the opposing minion is considered to have burned him. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0fb40db45763357c

On Sep 22, 6:10 am, botipeti wrote: > If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike > and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as > Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? Channeling the Beast is the strike you want Julius to play. (Pay a blood for +1 strength, to ensure that any damaging strike gets you into torpor.) > What if Julius doesn't play Mummify, but Nana strikes Slam which sends > Julius to torpor triggering his burning text? Can the other vampire > play Rubicon then? This works.

On Sep 23, 1:21 pm, The Lasombra <thelasom...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 22, 6:10 am, botipeti wrote: > > > If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike > > and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as > > Julius burn Nana with Rubicon? > > Channeling the Beast is the strike you want Julius to play. (Pay a > blood for +1 strength, to ensure that any damaging strike gets you > into torpor.) Thin Blood, Wave of Lethargy, WWS + Baal's Bloody Talons, Scorpion's Touch, Typhonic Beast, Cobra Fangs, or Skin of the Adder would also be good. -witness1

[ quoted text not captured ] I have the name for the deck: "Oh my God, they killed Julius! ...You bastards!"

[ quoted text not captured ] > bastards!"- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - How would Zipgun work with strike: combat ends. Would you still get the damage at strike resolution and go to torpor in combat? Otherwise Zipgun / Weather control could work to bypass the Strike: combat ends problem. /Ivan

[ quoted text not captured ] I suggest Julius uses Zip Gun in combination with say Wave of Lethargy. -> burns him even on a dodge -> ability to maneuver back to close against long range combat avoidance -> re-useable Zip Gun after S:CE (during the next combat) Alf

[ quoted text not captured ] thats true, but you can just play trap i doubt julius would stay untorpored after three rounds. Although zip gun is pretty good by utself as well.