Nobody's mentioned this yet, so maybe I'm mistaken. However, Cardinal
Benediction seems to be an incredibly dangerous card to me. It reads:
Choose a Sabbat Vampire with a capacity over 6. Successful vote means that
the vampire is given the title of Cardinal. Camarilla vampires cannot vote
during this political action.
Now, Cardinals don't contest. Anyone can be a Cardinal. Thus, any camarilla
deck will be unable to stop Cardinals being made unless they intercept the
action. If they don't, and with enough CB's, you could have an unstoppable
Sabbat vote deck. All you need is a few cardinals, and you can Kine Resources
Contested everyone out of existence. Seem a little abusive to anyone else to
be able to have virtually unlimited votes? (Granted this requires a number of
CB's, but in my two boxes of Sabbat, I got five of them. I wish WotC had
mixed the cards better.)
Arthur Bright
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I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the
same thing for Primogen, but requires a ready Primogen to take the action,
and doesn't require a vote.
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Speed, pure and simple. With a deck built around CB, you can pile
up votes much, much faster. And remember, any Sabbat can call a CB. Only
Primogen can use Of Noble Blood. Very deadly.
Arthur
L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
: I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the
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I had wondered if Cardinals were the direct equivalent of Justicars, i.e.
one to a clan. Guess not. This is bad.
Randy
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L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote in article
<55sms8$7...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>...
> aabr...@unix.amherst.edu (The Devil You Say) writes:
>
> > Nobody's mentioned this yet, so maybe I'm mistaken. However, Cardinal
> >Benediction seems to be an incredibly dangerous card to me. It reads:
>
> >Choose a Sabbat Vampire with a capacity over 6. Successful vote means
that
> >the vampire is given the title of Cardinal. Camarilla vampires cannot
vote
> >during this political action.
>
> >Now, Cardinals don't contest. Anyone can be a Cardinal. Thus, any
camarilla
> >deck will be unable to stop Cardinals being made unless they intercept
the
> >action. If they don't, and with enough CB's, you could have an
unstoppable
> >Sabbat vote deck. All you need is a few cardinals, and you can Kine
Resources
> >Contested everyone out of existence. Seem a little abusive to anyone
else to
> >be able to have virtually unlimited votes? (Granted this requires a
number of
> >CB's, but in my two boxes of Sabbat, I got five of them. I wish WotC
had
> >mixed the cards better.)
Cardinals don't contest. Oh boy...
> I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the
> same thing for Primogen, but requires a ready Primogen to take the
action,
> and doesn't require a vote.
The reason this seems a lot worse to me is that Cardinals get _three_
votes. A primogen only gets one. For the same effort (lets say three
actions) you could get three Cardinals (9 votes) or three Primogen (3
votes). Thats frightening. I was unaware that you could have more than one
cardinal for any clan without contesting.
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Steve Bucy
I'd be better off undead...
"Hmmm. I notice the number of conditional phrases in there... _seems_ to
indicate a weakness, _may_ be vulnerable in theory." - G'Kar
rj...@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:
>sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes:>> aabr...@unix.amherst.edu (The Devil You Say) writes:
>> >Choose a Sabbat Vampire with a capacity over 6. Successful vote means that
>> >the vampire is given the title of Cardinal. Camarilla vampires cannot vote
>> >during this political action.
>>>> I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the
>> same thing for Primogen, but requires a ready Primogen to take the action,
>> and doesn't require a vote.>3 votes versus 1. It would take 3 Of Noble Blood's and 3 minions with a 5+
>capacity to achieve the same results. And if you are building a deck around
>CB, then you probably have a few voting tricks up your sleeve.
Ah. I was thinking Bishop when I read Cardinal. My apologies.
This card is indeed much more powerful than Noble Blood (or even
Praxis Seizures, for that matter).
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aabr...@unix.amherst.edu (The Devil You Say) wrote:
> Speed, pure and simple. With a deck built around CB, you can pile
>up votes much, much faster. And remember, any Sabbat can call a CB. Only
>Primogen can use Of Noble Blood. Very deadly.>Arthur
Unfortunately Cardinals must be of cap 6 or higher.
which in general means you'll only get two out before running into at
least minor pool problems. Three maybe, four after some sucking back.
All this time you have to pull out the 6cap Sabbat, wait for the CB
card. Call the vote, push the vote through, and then maybe start
calling some useful votes. I'll take it against a Weenie vote deck
any day. At least with the WVP deck, I can MASS BLEED if votes
aren't working.
Stu
Hi Arthur,
On 7 Nov 1996, The Devil You Say wrote:
> Speed, pure and simple. With a deck built around CB, you can pile
> up votes much, much faster. And remember, any Sabbat can call a CB. Only
> Primogen can use Of Noble Blood. Very deadly.
>
Hmm, I don't see bringing out all of those seven or greater
capacity vampires as being all that fast...
It is, however, a much better card than the Justicar cards for
the Camarilla clans.
Algustas
>
> L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
>> : I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the> : same thing for Primogen, but requires a ready Primogen to take the action,
> : and doesn't require a vote.
>> : --[ quoted text not captured ]
On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:40:11 MST, rj...@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
wrote:
>In article <55sms8$7...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes:>> aabr...@unix.amherst.edu (The Devil You Say) writes:>>> >Choose a Sabbat Vampire with a capacity over 6. Successful vote means that
>> >the vampire is given the title of Cardinal. Camarilla vampires cannot vote
>> >during this political action.
>>>> I fail to see how this is any worse than "Of Noble Blood", which does the
>> same thing for Primogen, but requires a ready Primogen to take the action,
>> and doesn't require a vote.>>3 votes versus 1. It would take 3 Of Noble Blood's and 3 minions with a 5+
>capacity to achieve the same results. And if you are building a deck around
>CB, then you probably have a few voting tricks up your sleeve.
>
Yeah. So it's an effective means of getting votes which requires a
sabbat vampire of over 6 capacity. If you get it our early enough, it
could swing the game in favor of one vote deck; but if not, its the
only way that you have to catch up in the vote wars.
Basically, Cardinal Benediction makes Prisci useful; if you're afraid
that someone else is going to bring out a priscus, have
(Gratiano/Genevieve/Whoever) call themselves a Cardinal, and get the
vote passed so that they don't have to worry about not winning the
Priscus vote.
Could it be used to gain effective vote dominance? Why, yes. Could
it be totally frightening? Have you looked at the vote cards in
Sabbat yet? Even with importing the good votes from the basic set(KRC
and Conservative agitation), you have two, maybe three good damage
votes. The really nasty votes in the game are all Requiring
Prince/Justicar/Inner Circler. Sabbat has no Parity Shifts, no Sabbat
Threat(seems kinda cheesy, doesn't it?), and no tradtions. I'd still
think that althought it's nice for votes, it's not nearly as bad as
people seem to think it is.
And the smaller vote ensures that cards like pulling strings will have
much more swing potential. Ventrue headquarters can be used for votes
too.....
Alec Chang