Hi all,
I'm not quite clear about this contested card stuff... It usually
doesn't come up in my games, but it did yesterday, so I'm hoping to
clear it up for the future.
if a vampire is contested, does it become uncontrolled? Can you
withdraw blood from it? If not, can you still perform actions with it?
What if it has some nasty equipment on it, like talbot's chainsaw?
Also, if anyone could tell me a url where i could get some ancient
hearts and sabbat cards cheap, i'd be very happy :)
Sao lee
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S.P.War...@student.hro.nl (Sao lee) wrote:
> Hi all,> if a vampire is contested, does it become uncontrolled?
It does _not_ move to your uncontrolled region. Effectively,
The vampire leaves play until it becomes uncontested.
>Can you withdraw blood from it?
No.
>If not, can you still perform actions with it?
No.
> What if it has some nasty equipment on it, like talbot's chainsaw?
You cannot access any equipment, cannot transfer its equipment,
cannot take actions, cannot react, cannot use abilities based
upon master cards played on that vampire. When a vampire is
contested you cannot use it in any way.
> Also, if anyone could tell me a url where i could get some ancient
> hearts and sabbat cards cheap, i'd be very happy :)http://www.cais.net/potomac
sells Sabbat for $56 and Ancient Hearts for $68.
http://www.allstartradingcards.com
sells Sabbat for $60 and Ancient Hearts for $60.
Carpe Noctem.
Lasombra
http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra
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Sao lee wrote:
> I'm not quite clear about this contested card stuff... It usually
> doesn't come up in my games, but it did yesterday, so I'm hoping to
> clear it up for the future.
>> if a vampire is contested, does it become uncontrolled?
Not exactly, but close. It becomes "out of play" for all
purposes (except for contesting).
> Can you
> withdraw blood from it?
No - it isn't really returned to the uncontrolled region.
> If not, can you still perform actions with it?
No - it is out of play in that regard as well.
> What if it has some nasty equipment on it, like talbot's chainsaw?
The minion cards (equipment, retainers, etc.) on it are also out of
play (except for the possibility of being contested themselves, should
a second copy come out).
> Also, if anyone could tell me a url where i could get some ancient
> hearts and sabbat cards cheap, i'd be very happy :)
I'll leave this one for someone in a non-official capacity.
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LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) wrote:
: Sao lee wrote:
: > I'm not quite clear about this contested card stuff... It usually
: > doesn't come up in my games, but it did yesterday, so I'm hoping to
: > clear it up for the future.
: >
: > if a vampire is contested, does it become uncontrolled?: Not exactly, but close. It becomes "out of play" for all
: purposes (except for contesting).
This reminds me - what happens when a vamp stolen with Malk Dementia
becomes contested? (This came up in a game I was in last week - although
the vamp didn't actually get contested since I didn't want to contest
it. Though maybe I should have.)
The situation would be that the vamp is stolen during the Dementing player's
master phase, and then becomes contested sometime before that player's
next turn. Does the Dementing player then choose whether to pay the
contesting cost? Or is the Dementia return-control-to-rightful-owner
effect able to find the Demented Malk even though the vamp is currently
out of play?
(I would think that the Dementia can't find the Malk until it is no longer
contested, but then I'm not sure if it would still want to return control
at that point since the Dementing player's 'next untap phase' has come
and gone.)
Josh
e's pining for the [fnord]s...
du...@newton.ruph.cornell.edu (Joshua Duffin) wrote:
> LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) wrote:
> : > if a vampire is contested, does it become uncontrolled?
>
> : Not exactly, but close. It becomes "out of play" for all
> : purposes (except for contesting).
>
> This reminds me - what happens when a vamp stolen with Malk Dementia
> becomes contested? (This came up in a game I was in last week - although
> the vamp didn't actually get contested since I didn't want to contest
> it. Though maybe I should have.)
>
> The situation would be that the vamp is stolen during the Dementing player's
> master phase, and then becomes contested sometime before that player's
> next turn.
The Malk is returned, still contested, to his "rightful" controller.
[RTR 17-OCT-95]
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>e's pining for the [fnord]s...
More fnords!
Watch it, or I'll get a fnord.org.uk address for this group....
--
James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England)
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vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote:
> du...@newton.ruph.cornell.edu (Joshua Duffin) wrote:> > This reminds me - what happens when a vamp stolen with Malk Dementia
> > becomes contested? (This came up in a game I was in last week - although
> > the vamp didn't actually get contested since I didn't want to contest
> > it. Though maybe I should have.)
> >
> > The situation would be that the vamp is stolen during the Dementing player's
> > master phase, and then becomes contested sometime before that player's
> > next turn.
>
> The Malk is returned, still contested, to his "rightful" controller.
> [RTR 17-OCT-95]
>
Hmm, that's interesting. So if the Malk becomes contested after the
Dementing player's turn, and the owner of the Malk is between the
contester and the Dementer, the owner basically gets a free turn of
not paying for the contest (since the Malk gets returned before anyone
has to pay for him).
Josh
freaking dejanews... thinks my screen is about three inches bigger than
it really is...
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jt...@cornell.edu wrote:
> In article <712cjf$ot0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote:> > The Malk is returned, still contested, to his "rightful" controller.
> > [RTR 17-OCT-95]
> >
>
> Hmm, that's interesting. So if the Malk becomes contested after the
> Dementing player's turn, and the owner of the Malk is between the
> contester and the Dementer, the owner basically gets a free turn of
> not paying for the contest (since the Malk gets returned before anyone
> has to pay for him).
Actually, I believe LSJ has addressed contesting with yourself before, and it
works out that even if you stop contesting one of the copies, you still have
to pay for the other. And you don't get that copy until your *next* turn...
Xian
"you can just ignore it....and let hand jam sort them out."
-Jasper Phillips
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xi...@waste.org wrote:
> In article <71590b$d08$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> jt...@cornell.edu wrote:
> > In article <712cjf$ot0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote:
>
> > > The Malk is returned, still contested, to his "rightful" controller.
> > > [RTR 17-OCT-95]
> > >
> >
> > Hmm, that's interesting. So if the Malk becomes contested after the
> > Dementing player's turn, and the owner of the Malk is between the
> > contester and the Dementer, the owner basically gets a free turn of
> > not paying for the contest (since the Malk gets returned before anyone
> > has to pay for him).
>
> Actually, I believe LSJ has addressed contesting with yourself before, and it
> works out that even if you stop contesting one of the copies, you still have
> to pay for the other. And you don't get that copy until your *next* turn...
>
Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. ^_^ I have some experience with how
self-contesting works... what I was talking about is what happens when
a Malkavian under the influence of Malkavian Dementia becomes contested.
eg, John plays Malk Dementia to steal Bryan's Normal (his grandpredator,
my prey). I (John's prey) bring out my own Normal, making Normal contested.
Bryan takes his turn. Jon (other Jon) takes his turn. It comes around to
Dementing John's turn: He returns that Normal to Bryan without paying for
the contest. On my turn I will have to pay to contest Normal, before anyone
actually pays for Bryan's Normal.
Basically it's just an oddity of returning the Malk after his owner's turn.
If seating were the other way (me, John, Bryan) the Dementia wouldn't change
contest payment patterns, because Bryan wouldn't have had a turn since Normal
became contested.
Josh
'I've got a mind.. I've got half a mind..'
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In article <7177k1$4h2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
jt...@cornell.edu wrote:
[snip me going on about self-contesting]
> Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. ^_^ I have some experience with how
> self-contesting works... what I was talking about is what happens when
> a Malkavian under the influence of Malkavian Dementia becomes contested.
> eg, John plays Malk Dementia to steal Bryan's Normal (his grandpredator,
> my prey). I (John's prey) bring out my own Normal, making Normal contested.
> Bryan takes his turn. Jon (other Jon) takes his turn. It comes around to
> Dementing John's turn: He returns that Normal to Bryan without paying for
> the contest. On my turn I will have to pay to contest Normal, before anyone
> actually pays for Bryan's Normal.
Oh, whoops, my bad. :P I guess I was just thinking this was one of those
recurring what happens if I bring out two copies of the same vampire
permutations.
Plus, I don't like not seeing (there's some English major goodness for ya,
huh?) "Joshua Duffin" at the start of the post. This jtd3 stuff is no good.
I suppose I'll have to get used to it though, huh?
Xian
"you can just ignore it....and let hand jam sort them out."
-Jasper Phillips
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xi...@waste.org wrote:
[snip]
>
> Oh, whoops, my bad. :P I guess I was just thinking this was one of those
> recurring what happens if I bring out two copies of the same vampire
> permutations.
See what happens when you think? I hope you've learned your lesson. ^_^
> Plus, I don't like not seeing (there's some English major goodness for ya,
> huh?) "Joshua Duffin" at the start of the post. This jtd3 stuff is no good.
> I suppose I'll have to get used to it though, huh?
Sad but true. Is jduffin@... any better? I can use that instead... or, I
suppose, I could probably also use duffin_j@... (another of my many email
addresses). But evidently DejaNews doesn't have an obvious way to put
my real name in the header, so it'll have to be some email alias...
Josh
since cornell decided not to let me use their server any more, just cause
I graduated... damn cheapskates...
(oh wait, I'm the cheapskate, aren't I...)
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jdu...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> xi...@waste.org wrote:
> > Plus, I don't like not seeing (there's some English major goodness for ya,
> > huh?) "Joshua Duffin" at the start of the post. This jtd3 stuff is no good.
> > I suppose I'll have to get used to it though, huh?
>
> Sad but true. Is jduffin@... any better? I can use that instead... or, I
> suppose, I could probably also use duffin_j@... (another of my many email
> addresses). But evidently DejaNews doesn't have an obvious way to put
> my real name in the header, so it'll have to be some email alias...
You mean like my dejanews header? :-)
Just re-register your e-mail address with your real name in parentheses:
"jt...@whatever.net (Joshua Duffin)"
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vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote:
> jdu...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Sad but true. Is jduffin@... any better? I can use that instead... or, I
> > suppose, I could probably also use duffin_j@... (another of my many email
> > addresses). But evidently DejaNews doesn't have an obvious way to put
> > my real name in the header, so it'll have to be some email alias...
>
> You mean like my dejanews header? :-)
Now that you mention it, exactly like that, yes. ^_^
> Just re-register your e-mail address with your real name in parentheses:
> "jt...@whatever.net (Joshua Duffin)"
>
Aha, so clever and yet so simple. And not quite obvious enough for me
to think of it. But now I think I've got it.
Josh
'once there was a way to get back homeward...'
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