[Question] Rötschreck vs Fast hands

Here's my question... I take an action and blocked by a vampire with a improvised flame thrower... I know he plays with Rötschreck, so I declare my strikes as Fast hands, and steals his weapons at first strike... He says he strikes with the improvised flame thrower and Rötschreck me... I argued that he can't strike with it, since I stole it at first strike... If he was acting, and made a strike with it... The strike would fizzle, cause he had no strike at all... So no attempt can be made! The table argued that since strikes are resolved after he declares a strike, he can declare to strike with the Improvied flamethrower, and could still Rötschreck me... I yielded to the table, but still convinced I'm right... =) Who's right?

On 06 Mar 2003 05:33:33 GMT, alber...@aol.com (albert1642) wrote: >Here's my question... >I take an action and blocked by a vampire with a improvised flame thrower... >I know he plays with Rötschreck, so I declare my strikes as Fast hands, and >steals his weapons at first strike... He says he strikes with the improvised >flame thrower and Rötschreck me... All correct so far. >I argued that he can't strike with it, since I stole it at first strike... If >he was acting, and made a strike with it... The strike would fizzle, cause he >had no strike at all... So no attempt can be made! The table argued that >since strikes are resolved after he declares a strike, he can declare to strike >with the Improvied flamethrower, and could still Rötschreck me... I yielded to >the table, but still convinced I'm right... =) >Who's right? The table. Both players' strikes are announced before either takes effect. Rötschreck is played when strikes are announced. Rötschreck will beat Fast Hands, the same way it beast Strike Combat Ends and Dodge. [6.4.3] of the online rulebook. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/ Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

I was there, playing at the other table... What Albert doesn't ALSO mention is the Soul Burn versus Roestreke... how humiliating.

Hey was worth a shot, if he didn't have a rotschreck in his hand, he'll be taking 2+ 2 agg.. =P

alber...@aol.com (albert1642) wrote in message news:<20030306182810...@mb-ma.aol.com>... > Hey was worth a shot, if he didn't have a rotschreck in his hand, he'll be > taking 2+ 2 agg.. =P Ya ya ya.. i assume this applies to first strike with fast hands as well, where Rotschreck takes place first b4 anything else? Another question I have is.. what if it's like a starshell grenade launcher whereas only useable in long range, but you move in close, does that mean the 'attempt' cannot apply, therefore rotschreck can't be used?

DeistMutts wrote: > question I have is.. what if it's like a starshell grenade launcher > whereas only useable in long range, but you move in close, does that > mean the 'attempt' cannot apply, therefore rotschreck can't be used? It it cannot be used, the minion cannot attempt to use it. Without the attempt, Rötschreck cannot be played. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/