LSJ: Question about Reanimated Corpse

Can a Reanimated Corpse play Ashes to Ashes when out of live or when a card burns them and if so what happens? Also if I can, can I follow it up with a Undying Tenacity to stay in the fight? Reanimated Corpse Type: Ally Requires: Thanatosis Cost: X blood Zombie with 2 life. 2 strength, 2 bleed. [thn] Put X pathos counters on this corpse when it enters play. During your untap phase, burn 1 pathos counter. Remove the corpse from the game if it has no pathos counters. The corpse can play combat cards that require basic Fortitude [for] as a vampire. [THN] As above, but put 2 additional pathos counters on the corpse. Ashes to Ashes Type: Combat Requires: Thanatosis/Fortitude [for] Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into torpor instead. [thn] Prevent all damage. This vampire untaps and goes to torpor (ending combat). [THN] As [thn] above, and this vampire gains 2 blood from the blood bank. Undying Tenacity Type: Combat Requires: Fortitude [for] Only usable when this vampire should go to torpor. This vampire will not go to torpor until after combat ends (although he or she is still wounded and can be burned by aggravated damage). [FOR] Press or prevent 1 damage.

[ quoted text not captured ] I believe - he can not play Undying Tenacity, because he is never "going to torpor". He can Ashes to Ashes, but will still be burned. An ally cannot go to torpor - he is burned when he reaches 0 life. So you play Ashes to Ashes (at fortitude) when he's supposed to burn, then after the play of Ashes to Ashes, he still has 0 life and burns. There is no window there for playing Undying Tenacity either. I forget what would happen if it were possible to play Ashes to Ashes at thanatosis level with the Corpse - whether the ally would be burned by "going to torpor", or would simply stay ready and prevent all damage. But since it's not possible to play at that level, it's moot. The fortitude level will not save him.

In message <9d8ef6a1-a664-40c9...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: >On Aug 31, 9:45 am, Pullen <mattp3...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Ashes to Ashes >> Type: Combat >> Requires: Thanatosis/Fortitude >> [for] Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into >> torpor instead. >> [thn] Prevent all damage. This vampire untaps and goes to torpor >> (ending combat). > >I believe - he can not play Undying Tenacity, because he is never >"going to torpor". He can Ashes to Ashes, but will still be burned. In fact, Ashes to Ashes burns him by sending him to torpor. Allies who are sent to torpor are burned instead. [1.3.6] >I forget what would happen if it were possible to play Ashes to Ashes >at thanatosis level with the Corpse - whether the ally would be burned >by "going to torpor", He would - both [for] and [thn] would send him to torpor, causing him to burn instead. >or would simply stay ready and prevent all >damage. But since it's not possible to play at that level, it's >moot. The fortitude level will not save him. Shadow Court Satyr can play Ashes to Ashes at [thn]. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

On Sep 1, 2:19 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In message <9d8ef6a1-a664-40c9-a790-3b1b51122...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups [ quoted text not captured ] So a shadow court satyr is not a vampire and can't go to torpor, so playing ashes to ashes would only have the prevent all effect? If so, that is hot.

simcof wrote: > On Sep 1, 2:19 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: ... >> He would - both [for] and [thn] would send him to torpor, causing him to >> burn instead. >> >> >or would simply stay ready and prevent all >> >damage. But since it's not possible to play at that level, it's >> >moot. The fortitude level will not save him. >> >> Shadow Court Satyr can play Ashes to Ashes at [thn]. >> ... > So a shadow court satyr is not a vampire and can't go to torpor, so > playing ashes to ashes would only have the prevent all effect? If so, > that is hot. no quite. he can't to torpor, so instead all the damage is prevented, and he burns (by what james said above). -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)

In message <360915a9-32bb-4235...@l33g2000pri.googlegroup s.com>, simcof <sim...@gmail.com> writes: >So a shadow court satyr is not a vampire and can't go to torpor, so >playing ashes to ashes would only have the prevent all effect? If so, >that is hot. Erm, no. Did you read any of the rest of the post? An ally being sent to torpor does not ignore it; they burn instead. [1.6.3] [ quoted text not captured ]

On Aug 31, 11:19 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In message <9d8ef6a1-a664-40c9-a790-3b1b51122...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups > .com>, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: > > >I believe - he can not play Undying Tenacity, because he is never > >"going to torpor". He can Ashes to Ashes, but will still be burned. > > In fact, Ashes to Ashes burns him by sending him to torpor. Allies who > are sent to torpor are burned instead. [1.3.6] > Ah yes, that's the part I was unsure of. I believe that at one point an ally ignored "go to torpor" effects entirely, and I think that was kind of broken, but I couldn't remember if it was changed or not. So if an ally is sent to torpor, he is burned (obviously, he still cannot be targeted by effects that send *vampires* to torpor, but if he is treated as a vampire by a card that will send him to torpor, it will burn him).

James Coupe wrote: > In message <9d8ef6a1-a664-40c9...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups > ..com>, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: >> On Aug 31, 9:45 am, Pullen <mattp3...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Ashes to Ashes >>> Type: Combat >>> Requires: Thanatosis/Fortitude >>> [for] Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into >>> torpor instead. >>> [thn] Prevent all damage. This vampire untaps and goes to torpor >>> (ending combat). >> I believe - he can not play Undying Tenacity, because he is never >> "going to torpor". He can Ashes to Ashes, but will still be burned. > > In fact, Ashes to Ashes burns him by sending him to torpor. Allies who > are sent to torpor are burned instead. [1.3.6] Correct. (As with points below) [ quoted text not captured ]