Poll: Coolest vamp in 3rd edition?

What is the coolest/best/most interesting vamp in 3rd edition? I don´t mean artwork, but playwise. I vote for either... Lernean Tremere antitribu 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add strike once each round) or Ysador the Foul Nosferatu antitribu 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use maneuvers to maneuver to close range.

[ quoted text not captured ] For me it has to be: Malgorzata Temere Antitribu 9-cap, VIS AUS DOM THA pre Sabbat Priscus Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled reigion from the game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another vampire in your uncontrolled reigion as a +1 steath action. Athough her ability is not unique, ie uncontrolled reigion manipulation (see Paul Cordwood or Inconnu Tutalage), It adds a whole new dimension to the game, much like when The Slaughterhouse came into existance. Previous to it's (the slaughterhouse) existance, the idea of "milling" an opponents deck to win (via Brinksmanship) was relativley unheard of concept in V:tes. Personally, I just like anything that allows new concepts to be tried out. They may not be "white hot" as far as pure competative play is concerned, but it does allow for another dimension to be explored, which I love. Sutekh_23

[ quoted text not captured ] Mal's ability can also be used when you've got a King's Rising in play. This happened at the prerelease i went to. Merlin

sutekh_23 wrote: > Athough her ability is not unique, ie uncontrolled reigion manipulation > (see Paul Cordwood or Inconnu Tutalage), It adds a whole new dimension > to the game, much like when The Slaughterhouse came into existance. > Previous to it's (the slaughterhouse) existance, the idea of "milling" > an opponents deck to win (via Brinksmanship) was relativley unheard of > concept in V:tes. Heh. I think "milling" an opponent's deck to win is still realtively unheard of. Well, in the sense of "I heard that a mill deck won!"... -Peter

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as...@hotmail.com wrote: > Lernean > Tremere antitribu > 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add > strike once each round) > > or > > Ysador the Foul > Nosferatu antitribu > 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. > Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use > maneuvers to maneuver to close range. (This isn't meant to be snarky, just curious.) What is it about these guys that you think is cool or good? John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] For sure Peter, It's not a "optimal" deck strategy by any stretch of the imagination, my point is, (as I'm sure you gathered) is that it *allows* new concepts to be played around with. That is what I like. (Besides I'm sure someone out there has a deck that can drop 3 slaugterhouse's per round and mill the ever-living crap outta its prey.) Thats also why I'm fond of Frontal Assault and Perpetual Care, They enable a "bin to win" strategy. Insofar as deck creation goes, anything that adds to the options avaliable in order to win is good stuff IMHO. Personally, I can't wait to see a Arika/law firm deck get rushed stupid and then *voted* to death. :) Sutekh_23

sutekh_23 wrote: > For me it has to be: > Malgorzata > Temere Antitribu > 9-cap, VIS AUS DOM THA pre Sabbat Priscus > Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled reigion from the > game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another vampire in your > uncontrolled reigion as a +1 steath action. > I agree. I just wish I opened more than 1 in my box of boosters. :( Plus she's pretty hot. Later, ~Rehlow

[ quoted text not captured ] Are you serious? Really? Look at my Champion then: Name: Stavros [Third:V] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Malkavian antitribu Group: 4 Capacity: 7 Discipline: dem AUS OBF PRE Sabbat priscus. Artist: Mark Poole Just guess what can be done with a 7-cap Priscus with OBF and PRE! He votes, plays Majesty, untaps and bleeds! And he can be grouped with Ankh-sen-Sutekh, Suzanne Kadim and other uber-powerful Obf/PRE bleeders! He's even better than Klaus Konrecht :) Yours, Ector

I am a big fan of all of the vamps that can use soul decoration now. gavatneir harold and cyscek should make a really cool crypt using the call to get each of them out. im working on it. [ quoted text not captured ]

My favorite is this one Eric Kressida [Third:V] Clan: Tremere antitribu Group: 4 Capacity: 8 Discipline: cel AUS DOM PRO THA Sabbat bishop: If Eric is in torpor during any other Methuselah's discard phase, you may burn the Edge to move him to your ready region. Weather Control + Flesh of Marble + Telepathic Tracking And in the pure cool factor nothing beats Urraca...

Sure! Kushiel skrev: > as...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Lernean > > Tremere antitribu > > 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add > > strike once each round) Big title (Votes, Eternal Vigilance and so on). Awesome special. Plenty of opportunity for multiple actions (for, rutors AND smith for Helicopter). THA+CEL for solid combat - and the special allow you to focus on other cel-stuff than add-strikes. pro for more funny combat or stealth. DOM for the best cards in the game. AUS... well... What more can you need? (Plus the guy is holding a heart) > > Ysador the Foul > > Nosferatu antitribu > > 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. > > Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use > > maneuvers to maneuver to close range. Big title. Very nice discipline spread - just a touch of Justicars disease. Can do just about anything except bounce. The special is just a little bit less good than Caileans. Both these vamps are good examples of solid high-cap vamps that can be used for lots of decks.

sutekh_23 wrote: > For sure Peter, It's not a "optimal" deck strategy by any stretch of > the imagination, my point is, (as I'm sure you gathered) is that it > *allows* new concepts to be played around with. Oh, sure. I was just being a wise ass. I have one of those decks, which, ya know, never even remotely wins, and now whenever I play any sort of Harbinger on the table, Jon is like "Oh, great. Is this one of those games where I don't get to play any cards?" -Peter

I gotta second Ector : Name: Stavros [Third:V] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Malkavian antitribu Group: 4 Capacity: 7 Discipline: dem AUS OBF PRE Sabbat priscus. Artist: Mark Poole is Enormous (TM) !! Of course there is also : Neighbor John !Ven, 5 cap. dom for AUS. Sabbat. +1 intercept (no comment) But my absolute favorite would be : Antonio d'Erlette 5 capacity Tremere antitribu Group 4 dom for pot THA Sabbat: While Antonio is ready, you may spend four transfers to search your hand or library (shuffle afterward) for a mage ally Antonio could play. Put that ally in play with life equal to his starting amount (pay cost as normal). - great in Tremere For decks (whom at last have a good crypt) - great with gargoyles - good even for dom / pot / for decks - and DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SPECIAL ?!?! Nephandus (Nephandii ?) Succubus (Succubae ?), and now Exaped (Exapodarum... erm, forget it) !! All that in a 5-Cap, and with plenty of friends to play with... Gotta love the guy. His only downfall : he's gonna get contested too often. -- Duncan O'rpheus, of the O'rpheus clan from the scottish highlands.

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > Sure! > > Kushiel skrev: > > > as...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Lernean > > > Tremere antitribu > > > 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add > > > strike once each round) > > Big title (Votes, Eternal Vigilance and so on). Awesome special. Plenty > of opportunity for multiple actions (for, rutors AND smith for > Helicopter). THA+CEL for solid combat - and the special allow you to > focus on other cel-stuff than add-strikes. pro for more funny combat or > stealth. DOM for the best cards in the game. AUS... well... What more > can you need? (Plus the guy is holding a heart) > Stealth, for instance :) Well, Lernean is nice, but a 10-cap should be powerful, and he isn't better than Lucas Halton or Cesewayo (both have AUS CEL DOM THA). Lernean is better in combat, thanks to add. strike, Flesh of Marble and Fortitude prevention, but Lucas and Cesewayo are better as blockers, and, IMHO, all these vamps are going to block most of the time. > > > Ysador the Foul > > > Nosferatu antitribu > > > 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. > > > Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use > > > maneuvers to maneuver to close range. > > Big title. Very nice discipline spread - just a touch of Justicars > disease. Can do just about anything except bounce. The special is just > a little bit less good than Caileans. Can he intercept? Only with Animalism he won't be good at this. Can he bleed? As good as a 6-cap with DEM/OBF. Actually, he can fight with his FOR/POT/ANI, but there are much better vamps with the same disciplines. And his ability is MUCH worse than Cailean's since it doesn't prohibit maneuvers to long, and his disciplines prompt using close-range combat with Immortal Grapples. I'd say that he won't see much play at all... > Both these vamps are good examples of solid high-cap vamps that can be > used for lots of decks. OK, they may be *solid*, but not *outstanding*. Stavros IS outstanding, since there were no titled 7-caps (or even 8-caps) with OBF/PRE prior to 3rd Edition. IMHO, the difference is obvious. Yours, Ector

Orpheus wrote: > Antonio d'Erlette > 5 capacity Tremere antitribu > Group 4 > dom for pot THA > Sabbat: While Antonio is ready, you may spend four transfers to search > your hand or library (shuffle afterward) for a mage ally Antonio could > play. Put that ally in play with life equal to his starting amount (pay > cost as normal). > > - great in Tremere For decks (whom at last have a good crypt) > - great with gargoyles > - good even for dom / pot / for decks > - and DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SPECIAL ?!?! Nephandus (Nephandii ?) Succubus > (Succubae ?), and now Exaped (Exapodarum... erm, forget it) !! Well, Succubi are demons, not mages, so Antonio would have to go get them the hard way. Ditto Hexaped things - don't have one in front of me, but I'm pretty sure they're not mages, since they're...like...magickal bugs. Or something. But, yeah, he's awesome. Nephandi. Order of Hermes Cabal. Talaq. (But mostly Nephandi.) John Eno

smithheroldson wrote: > I am a big fan of all of the vamps that can use soul decoration now. > gavatneir harold and cyscek should make a really cool crypt using the > call to get each of them out. im working on it. Yeah, that was exactly my thought when I skimmed the set. I think the one that takes the cake for me of the Obf/Vic crew, though, has got to be Luc - that +3 hand size action is sweet in a deck that's going to be as combo-based as a Soul Decoration deck is. I've been working on it too. - D.J.

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Lernean > > > Tremere antitribu > > > 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add > > > strike once each round) > > Big title (Votes, Eternal Vigilance and so on). Awesome special. Plenty > of opportunity for multiple actions (for, rutors AND smith for > Helicopter). THA+CEL for solid combat - and the special allow you to > focus on other cel-stuff than add-strikes. pro for more funny combat or > stealth. DOM for the best cards in the game. AUS... well... What more > can you need? (Plus the guy is holding a heart) Yep. He's definitely solid, no doubt. And I like how many of the bigger vamps in the set seem to have Fortitude off-clan, which helps to mitigate their hugeness. I just didn't see anything in the guy that screamed "I'm cooler than Dean Martin!" > > > Ysador the Foul > > > Nosferatu antitribu > > > 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. > > > Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use > > > maneuvers to maneuver to close range. > > Big title. Very nice discipline spread - just a touch of Justicars > disease. Can do just about anything except bounce. The special is just > a little bit less good than Caileans. Eh? Ysador has all three of her in-clans at superior, so she doesn't have Justicar's Disease at all. In fact, given the prevalence of Fortitude amongst the group 3/4 !Nosferatu, I'd say she's got the exact opposite of Justicar's Disease, since she effectively has all four in-clan disciplines at superior. > Both these vamps are good examples of solid high-cap vamps that can be > used for lots of decks. Agreed. Neither one of them jumped out at me as, like, super-star vampires, though, which I why I had been wondering why you thought they were the coolest vampires in the set. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] I look at Lernean, then I look at Ayelea the Manipulator, and then I cry when I realize just how far we've come! ='-) Ysador is also a big improvement over Yong-Sun. Both of these vampires also have significantly more synergy with their clanmates than their Group 2 counterparts ever had. Lernean's special is especially good since you can have lots of fun Thaumaturgy combat even without using Celerity cards. You're always going to have the problem that mid-caps are often a better investment than 10-caps or 11-caps. But at least the 10-caps they're printing now are significantly more usable than those in the past. My only remaining question is what gender Lernean and Ysador are. I found both of their pictures to be rather, ambiguous...

Ector wrote: > Are you serious? Really? Look at my Champion then: > > Name: Stavros > [Third:V] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Malkavian antitribu > Group: 4 > Capacity: 7 > Discipline: dem AUS OBF PRE > Sabbat priscus. > Artist: Mark Poole > > Just guess what can be done with a 7-cap Priscus with OBF and PRE! He > votes, plays Majesty, untaps and bleeds! And he can be grouped with > Ankh-sen-Sutekh, Suzanne Kadim and other uber-powerful Obf/PRE > bleeders! > He's even better than Klaus Konrecht :) I agree that Stavros is awesome. It's as if Korah and Kite had a kid. Talk about the best of both worlds! (Heh. Maybe his Advanced version will have superior DEM, inferior Animalism, and +1 intercept!). But don't be dissin' my man Klaus. In the words of Paris Hilton, an 8-cap Cardinal is just plain "hot." And I think Klaus is significantly better than silly ole Radu. And now you can throw all of your copies of Donatien into the trash can where they belong! ;-)

Orpheus wrote: > Neighbor John > !Ven, 5 cap. dom for AUS. Sabbat. > +1 intercept > > (no comment) I haven't been this excited sine Carna was printed in Cam edition! > But my absolute favorite would be : > > Antonio d'Erlette > 5 capacity Tremere antitribu > Group 4 > dom for pot THA > Sabbat: While Antonio is ready, you may spend four transfers to search > your hand or library (shuffle afterward) for a mage ally Antonio could > play. Put that ally in play with life equal to his starting amount (pay > cost as normal). > > - great in Tremere For decks (whom at last have a good crypt) > - great with gargoyles > - good even for dom / pot / for decks > - and DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SPECIAL ?!?! Nephandus (Nephandii ?) Succubus > (Succubae ?), and now Exaped (Exapodarum... erm, forget it) !! > > All that in a 5-Cap, and with plenty of friends to play with... Gotta love > the guy. > > His only downfall : he's gonna get contested too often. Contested often? One can only hope. Cause that means lots of other people are playing Tremere Antitribu! His special is neat, but for practical purposes is only really good for getting Nephandi and maybe Talaq. Order of Hermes and Mehemet are definitely not worth it. And this is coming from someone who used to play a Mage-themed deck years ago. Orpheus, does this mean you'll shelve the Giovanni in favor of the Tremere Antitribu during the next storyline? Or maybe you can compromise by playing a !Tremere deck centered on Marino and also featuring Phagian? Necromancy for *everyone*! ;-)

sutekh_23 wrote: > For me it has to be: > Malgorzata > Temere Antitribu > 9-cap, VIS AUS DOM THA pre Sabbat Priscus > Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled reigion from the > game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another vampire in your > uncontrolled reigion as a +1 steath action. > > Athough her ability is not unique, ie uncontrolled reigion manipulation > (see Paul Cordwood or Inconnu Tutalage), It adds a whole new dimension > to the game, much like when The Slaughterhouse came into existance. > Previous to it's (the slaughterhouse) existance, the idea of "milling" > an opponents deck to win (via Brinksmanship) was relativley unheard of > concept in V:tes. Personally, I just like anything that allows new > concepts to be tried out. They may not be "white hot" as far as pure > competative play is concerned, but it does allow for another dimension > to be explored, which I love. I'll second that. Malgorzata is hands down my favorite new vampire in the set. And it's not just because she's smoking hot (though that certainly doesn't hurt either!). In fact, this new set is so amazing that it's awoken me out of torpor and I'm currently halfway done with another issue of the Tremere Antitribu newsletter. If you can wait about a week or so, you can read about all the awesomeness that is Malgorzata!

Ector skrev: > Stealth, for instance :) Last time I checked my binder there was cards in the protean section that give stealth. > Well, Lernean is nice, but a 10-cap should be powerful, and he isn't > better than Lucas Halton or Cesewayo (both have AUS CEL DOM THA). > Lernean is better in combat, thanks to add. strike, Flesh of Marble and > Fortitude prevention, but Lucas and Cesewayo are better as blockers, > and, IMHO, all these vamps are going to block most of the time. Block-decks are for pussys! If you can´t handle any other type of deck, you play a blockdeck :) > Can he intercept? Only with Animalism he won't be good at this. I guess he is just as good at intercept as Cailean. And Cailean has done more blocking than any other vamp I know. > Can he bleed? As good as a 6-cap with DEM/OBF. Actually, he can fight with his > FOR/POT/ANI, but there are much better vamps with the same disciplines. > And his ability is MUCH worse than Cailean's since it doesn't prohibit > maneuvers to long, and his disciplines prompt using close-range combat > with Immortal Grapples. What?! What does this last thing mean? Has I misread his special? Ysador manuevears to long and striks with Bats+Crows or Increased Gate with fortitude for protection. Not every enemy has s:ce. Not in Stockholm anyway. > OK, they may be *solid*, but not *outstanding*. Stavros IS outstanding, > since there were no titled 7-caps (or even 8-caps) with OBF/PRE prior > to 3rd Edition. IMHO, the difference is obvious. Sure, Stavros is a solid vamp, no argue. It´s just that I never get those malk-voter decks working. I will try that again now.

Kushiel skrev: > > > > Lernean > Yep. He's definitely solid, no doubt. And I like how many of the bigger > vamps in the set seem to have Fortitude off-clan, which helps to > mitigate their hugeness. I just didn't see anything in the guy that > screamed "I'm cooler than Dean Martin!" You don´t? Who does then? > > > > Ysador the Foul > Eh? Ysador has all three of her in-clans at superior, so she doesn't > have Justicar's Disease at all. In fact, given the prevalence of > Fortitude amongst the group 3/4 !Nosferatu, I'd say she's got the exact > opposite of Justicar's Disease, since she effectively has all four > in-clan disciplines at superior. Sorry, my mistake. I thought JD was when a vamp has too many disciplines, so that you can´t ever fit all the sweetness in one deck. So JD is an old expression from the Jyhad-justicars? > Agreed. Neither one of them jumped out at me as, like, super-star > vampires, though, which I why I had been wondering why you thought they > were the coolest vampires in the set. Who is the superstar then, do you think? Sure, there are nice smaller vamps too. Lord Vauxhall, Frere Marc and Neighbor John comes into mind. And those 5-caps with two superiors.

echia...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Antonio d'Erlette >> 5 capacity Tremere antitribu >> Group 4 >> dom for pot THA >> Sabbat: While Antonio is ready, you may spend four transfers to search >> your hand or library (shuffle afterward) for a mage ally Antonio could >> play. Put that ally in play with life equal to his starting amount (pay >> cost as normal). >> >> - great in Tremere For decks (whom at last have a good crypt) >> - great with gargoyles >> - good even for dom / pot / for decks >> - and DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SPECIAL ?!?! Nephandus (Nephandii ?) Succubus >> (Succubae ?), and now Exaped (Exapodarum... erm, forget it) !! >> >> All that in a 5-Cap, and with plenty of friends to play with... Gotta love >> the guy. >> >> His only downfall : he's gonna get contested too often. > > > Contested often? One can only hope. Cause that means lots of other > people are playing Tremere Antitribu! You know, if i'd gotten any of him in my box, they'd all be in my Tupdog deck. Tupdogs beat up vamps, Nephandi eat them for life. Then when your prey has nothing left, you swarm bleed with a million nephandi. *drool* -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > What is the coolest/best/most interesting vamp in 3rd edition? Isouda de Blaise? I heard that Great Greta with Obfuscate skillcard was quite nasty in a Palla Grande/Embrace swarm bleed deck. Now Isouda does not neeed that skillcard, and it just so happens that she has 2 nice 5-cap sidekicks (Cristos and Gabriel) with aus cel obf pre... Coolness points go to Jabba the H...erm, Joseph Cambridge, who just blew poor old Judah completely out of the water. -Antero

Kushiel wrote: > Well, Succubi are demons, not mages, so Antonio would have to go get > them the hard way. Ditto Hexaped things - don't have one in front of > me, but I'm pretty sure they're not mages, since > they're...like...magickal bugs. Or something. > Hexapeds do not have a type listed on them. Is this intentional? -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Hexapeds do not have a type listed on them. Is this intentional? Yes. See also Gargoyle Slave.

[ quoted text not captured ] I seem to remember that the Hexaped is created as a side-effect of Gargoyle creation (kind of a "Gargoyle Placenta"), so it seems appropriate to be equally typeless. I suppose the Hexaped is still considered to be a "monster", since it is still NOT a mortal and NOT an animal.

[ quoted text not captured ] Yeah, i can't wait for all the new vampires that can play multiple versions of Quicksilver Contemplation! ;) Luc's pic is totally awesome, too. Merlin editor of the True Brujah newsletter

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > Ector skrev: > > > Stealth, for instance :) > > Last time I checked my binder there was cards in the protean section > that give stealth. Last time I checked my FELDB inferior Protean provided only Earth Control (+1 stealth for 1 blood) and Horrific Countenance for 4 blood. Not too much and isn't impressive at all. > > Well, Lernean is nice, but a 10-cap should be powerful, and he isn't > > better than Lucas Halton or Cesewayo (both have AUS CEL DOM THA). > > Lernean is better in combat, thanks to add. strike, Flesh of Marble and > > Fortitude prevention, but Lucas and Cesewayo are better as blockers, > > and, IMHO, all these vamps are going to block most of the time. > > Block-decks are for pussys! If you can´t handle any other type of > deck, you play a blockdeck :) IMHO, you can effectively handle blocking decks only when you've already mastered all other types of decks :) > > Can he intercept? Only with Animalism he won't be good at this. > > I guess he is just as good at intercept as Cailean. And Cailean has > done more blocking than any other vamp I know. More than Lucas Halton? More than Lazverinus? More than Anneke, Carna or Ira Rivers? Sorry, but I really doubt here... > > Can he bleed? As good as a 6-cap with DEM/OBF. Actually, he can fight with his > > FOR/POT/ANI, but there are much better vamps with the same disciplines. > > And his ability is MUCH worse than Cailean's since it doesn't prohibit > > maneuvers to long, and his disciplines prompt using close-range combat > > with Immortal Grapples. > > What?! What does this last thing mean? Has I misread his special? > Ysador manuevears to long and striks with Bats+Crows or Increased Gate > with fortitude for protection. Not every enemy has s:ce. Not in > Stockholm anyway. Not every enemy has S:CE, but if he has, you might just waste an action (or a Wake, if you blocked). Cailean was so good because his special allowed you to forget about maneuvers. With Ysador, you still have to maneuver to long. Yes, you may combine it with Aid from Bats or Thrown Gate, but one generally expects much better results from a 10-cap than strike for 1 or 2, even if you add Carrion Crows. Trap + Carrion Crows + Superior Mettle may be effective, but you'll need too many cards to make things work. > > OK, they may be *solid*, but not *outstanding*. Stavros IS outstanding, > > since there were no titled 7-caps (or even 8-caps) with OBF/PRE prior > > to 3rd Edition. IMHO, the difference is obvious. > > Sure, Stavros is a solid vamp, no argue. It´s just that I never get > those malk-voter decks working. I will try that again now. Stavros has almost nothing common with traditional Malk-voters that usually had titles and Obfuscate, but no Presence. Superior OBF and PRE make him a no-brainer in any stealth-voting deck. He rocks. He's much better than just "solid" :) Yours, Ector

Ector <Ec...@mail.ru> wrote: > as...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Ector skrev: > > > > > Stealth, for instance :) > > > > Last time I checked my binder there was cards in the protean section > > that give stealth. > Last time I checked my FELDB inferior Protean provided only Earth > Control (+1 stealth for 1 blood) and Horrific Countenance for 4 blood. > Not too much and isn't impressive at all. You forgot Rapid Change.

[ quoted text not captured ] And Skullduggery. Go 'narchs! Merlin

[ quoted text not captured ] and Form of Mist, one of the best Stealth cards in the game. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Form of Mist offers no stealth at the basic level.

[ quoted text not captured ] Form of mist does not provide stealth at inferior, Sathriel

Though I've yet to really play with any of the new vampires (beyond the pre-release, where I've developed some affection for Apache Jones, my improvised-flamethrower wielding power-bleeder, in 2 out of 3 games no less), I instantly fell in love with: Uta Kovacs Tremere Antitribu 8 capacity ser AUS DOM THA Sabbat: Uta can enter combat with a minion controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. Cards that require Thaumaturgy costs her 1 less blood to play. A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? Free Serenading the Kami and Blood Furies - hit you for 5 that your precious Fortitude can't prevent? Shotgun a Drain Essence, press, Blood to Water and Walk of Flame, all for 2 blood (of which you gained up to 4 back). My problem is going to be deciding what combat route to go for. Granted, I'm not sure basic ser is going to serve her well, and of course some Fortitude would have been lovely. Though a Serpentis skill card and then Heart of Darkness has some interesting possibilities. Time will tell, of course, I'm rather intrigued be the new Toreador Antitribu and Lasombra as well, though none have stood out as #1s yet. Chris, Thrall of Arika

Thrall of Arika <christoph...@amec.com> wrote: > Though I've yet to really play with any of the new vampires (beyond the > pre-release, where I've developed some affection for Apache Jones, my > improvised-flamethrower wielding power-bleeder, in 2 out of 3 games no > less), I instantly fell in love with: > Uta Kovacs > Tremere Antitribu > 8 capacity > ser AUS DOM THA > Sabbat: Uta can enter combat with a minion controlled by another > Methuselah as a (D) action. Cards that require Thaumaturgy costs her 1 > less blood to play. > A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush > for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs > her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? No No... Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence for 1 blood total. And Form of Corruption (+ Mirror Walk for stealth).

Thrall of Arika wrote: > Uta Kovacs > Sabbat: Uta can enter combat with a minion controlled by another > Methuselah as a (D) action. Cards that require Thaumaturgy costs her 1 > less blood to play. > > A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush > for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs > her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? Just 1 blood. Cauldron only costs 1 blood in general, so Uta would pay zero for it.

Thrall of Arika wrote: > Though I've yet to really play with any of the new vampires (beyond the > pre-release, where I've developed some affection for Apache Jones, my > improvised-flamethrower wielding power-bleeder, in 2 out of 3 games no > less), I instantly fell in love with: > > Uta Kovacs > Tremere Antitribu > 8 capacity > ser AUS DOM THA > Sabbat: Uta can enter combat with a minion controlled by another > Methuselah as a (D) action. Cards that require Thaumaturgy costs her 1 > less blood to play. > > > A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush > for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs > her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? Cauldron of Blood still isn't a good card. > Free Serenading the Kami and Blood Furies - hit you for 5 that your > precious Fortitude can't prevent? Shotgun a Drain Essence, press, Blood > to Water and Walk of Flame, all for 2 blood (of which you gained up to > 4 back). My problem is going to be deciding what combat route to go > for. Experiment! I think I'll try the Serenading the Kami and Blood Fury first. But I'll never try Cauldron of Blood :) > Granted, I'm not sure basic ser is going to serve her well, and of > course some Fortitude would have been lovely. Though a Serpentis skill > card and then Heart of Darkness has some interesting possibilities. It can never hurt to slot a single Form of Corruption. > Time will tell, of course, I'm rather intrigued be the new Toreador > Antitribu and Lasombra as well, though none have stood out as #1s yet. > > Chris, Thrall of Arika -- Dorrinal Blackmantle Chantry Elder of Salt Lake City

Jozxyqk wrote: > No No... > Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence for 1 blood total. > And Form of Corruption (+ Mirror Walk for stealth). You mean Form of the Serpent? Sathriel the Jozxyqk' Bane

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Yep. He's definitely solid, no doubt. And I like how many of the bigger > > vamps in the set seem to have Fortitude off-clan, which helps to > > mitigate their hugeness. I just didn't see anything in the guy that > > screamed "I'm cooler than Dean Martin!" > > You don´t? Who does then? Neighbor John. Antonino. Stavros. That weird stealth/bleed !Nosferatu with the funky blood-counting-during-your-untap special. The !Gangrel with Serpentis. The !Gangrel who untaps after bleeding and the !Nos who lets you look at your prey's hand when you successfully bleed. > Sorry, my mistake. I thought JD was when a vamp has too many > disciplines, so that you can´t ever fit all the sweetness in one deck. > So JD is an old expression from the Jyhad-justicars? Yeah. Note how Angus and Democritus don't have all their in-clans at superior. Or maybe I'm wrong about what JD is. Anyone want to clarify? > Who is the superstar then, do you think? Sure, there are nice smaller > vamps too. Lord Vauxhall, Frere Marc and Neighbor John comes into mind. > And those 5-caps with two superiors. Hektor struck me as having superstar potential. Nobody else that I've seen so far really made me think I might want to make a deck based around just that one guy. John Eno

sath...@o2.pl wrote: > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > > and Form of Mist, one of the best Stealth cards in the game. > > > Form of mist does not provide stealth at inferior, > Sorry, the thread had wandered far enough that I forgot we were talking about a specific minion with pro and not the Discipline itself. Still, that minion has access to Crocodile's Tongue, Seduction, and Mirror Walk, so he's not up a creek without stealth. [ quoted text not captured ]

sathriel wrote: > Jozxyqk wrote: > > No No... > > Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence for 1 blood total. > > And Form of Corruption (+ Mirror Walk for stealth). > > You mean Form of the Serpent? He probably meant Form of Corruption. 1) Put Form of Corruption in play (using Mirror Walk for stealth). 2) Enter combat with prey's minion. 3) Steal lots of blood with kooky Shotgun Ritual/Drain Essence combo. 4) Burn Form of Corruption next turn for free vampire. John Eno

sathriel <sath...@o2.pl> wrote: > Jozxyqk wrote: > > No No... > > Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence for 1 blood total. > > And Form of Corruption (+ Mirror Walk for stealth). > You mean Form of the Serpent? No. I mean Form of Corruption. Do I need to spell it out for you? Step 1: Put Form of Corruption in play (using Mirror Walk for stealth if necessary). Step 2: Rush. Play Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence. Step 3: If the opposing minion still has blood, press (or rush again) and steal more blood. Step 4: Steal minion. Profit!

antero wrote: > Coolness points go to Jabba the H...erm, Joseph Cambridge, who just > blew poor old Judah completely out of the water. And has awesome, awesome art. John Eno

LSJ wrote: > Thrall of Arika wrote: > > A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush > > for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs > > her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? > > Just 1 blood. Cauldron only costs 1 blood in general, so Uta would pay > zero for it. Yes, for some odd reason I had it in my head that Cauldron was 2 blood, have no idea why. So my combo's even better! (Despite Dorrinal's opinion!) Dorrinal Blackmantle wrote: > Thrall of Arika wrote: > > Though I've yet to really play with any of the new vampires (beyond the > > pre-release, where I've developed some affection for Apache Jones, my > > improvised-flamethrower wielding power-bleeder, in 2 out of 3 games no > > less), I instantly fell in love with: > > > > Uta Kovacs > > Tremere Antitribu > > 8 capacity > > ser AUS DOM THA > > Sabbat: Uta can enter combat with a minion controlled by another > > Methuselah as a (D) action. Cards that require Thaumaturgy costs her 1 > > less blood to play. > > > > > > A solid 8 cap with all in-clan disciplines at superior. A built-in rush > > for the magic-users at last! And if that was enough, Thaumaturgy costs > > her one less! Shotgun Ritual a Cauldron of Blood for 2 blood total? > > Cauldron of Blood still isn't a good card. I sometimes play with a couple, but agree that past Jyhad, it's never been a staple in any of my Tremere decks. Merely put out there for an example, really. > > Free Serenading the Kami and Blood Furies - hit you for 5 that your > > precious Fortitude can't prevent? Shotgun a Drain Essence, press, Blood > > to Water and Walk of Flame, all for 2 blood (of which you gained up to > > 4 back). My problem is going to be deciding what combat route to go > > for. > > Experiment! I think I'll try the Serenading the Kami and Blood Fury > first. But I'll never try Cauldron of Blood :) Oh don't worry, I shall! I do wish I had more Shotgun Rituals. I'm rather ford of my last idea, though requires a lot of luck for the perfect set up. But I like the Serenading Blood Fury idea too, so most likely will try that route first as well. Hmm, another idea ... Serenading with the Sword of Nuln. Free Magic of the Smith to get ... 6 blood to heal without preventing ... Make her Depraved as well ... Oh yes, and sprinkle in some Perfect Clarity for those annoying Presence decks too ... What's that, you didn't pack any other form of combat defense? Such a pity ... fwoosh! I so wish I had gotten to play the !Tremere in the pre-release! Drat the luck! > > Granted, I'm not sure basic ser is going to serve her well, and of > > course some Fortitude would have been lovely. Though a Serpentis skill > > card and then Heart of Darkness has some interesting possibilities. > > It can never hurt to slot a single Form of Corruption. That is very true ... hmmm ... It's really too bad she doesn't have many friends to share some Serpentis/Thaumaturgy goodness. Cybele and a couple of Followers doesn't lend too well to a Thaumaturgy rush deck with sneaky extra stuff. Though then again .. Uta could be a pretty nasty body-guard, letting your Snakes run around and do what they do best under her watchful gaze. *laughs* Expect some Uta decks coming down the pipe in the near future from me. Chris, Thrall of Arika

Thrall of Arika wrote: > Hmm, another idea ... Serenading with the Sword of Nuln. Free Magic of > the Smith to get ... 6 blood to heal without preventing ... Make her > Depraved as well ... After she Clan Impersonates Tremere, right? Witness1 -ItE

[ quoted text not captured ] Err ... yes .. of course! Drat ... another fine idea spoiled by actual card text! Much like my late, lamented Flesh of Marble/Weather Control idea ... damn unpreventable damage. Still, maybe a Tremere buddy can help her out then. Seems like too much 'doing other stuff' to Clan Impersonate first, then tool up, rather than just rushing. Tremere buddy fetches the Sword while she gets Rutor's, then Heidelburg over the Sword and some blood and then let Uta go to town. Ah, I love dream set-ups ... if only they actually happened when you played. Chris, Thrall of Arika

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > What is the coolest/best/most interesting vamp in 3rd edition? I don´t > mean artwork, but playwise. I vote for either... > > Lernean > Tremere antitribu > 10-cap, for pro AUS CEL DOM THA, cardinal, burn a blood for an add > strike once each round) > > or > > Ysador the Foul > Nosferatu antitribu > 10-cap, obt ANI DEM FOR OBF POT. Sabbat Cardinal. > Non-infernal, non-demon minions opposing Ysador in combat cannot use > maneuvers to maneuver to close range. My fav is Rusty: Count Vladimir Rustovitch Clan: Tzimisce (group 4) Capacity: 9 Disciplines: ANI AUS VIC dom pot pro Sabbat: When you draw to replace a combat card Vladimir plays, you may draw an additional card (discard afterward). He gets +1 strength in combat with a werewolf. Flight [FLIGHT]. Remember kids, Eagle's Sight is almost as good as another rush! Merlin

> Step 2: Rush. Play Shotgun Ritual and Drain Essence. > Step 3: If the opposing minion still has blood, press (or > rush again) and steal more blood. > Step 4: Steal minion. Profit! Profit should always be its own step. Always. Ankur

This is my favourity vamp from Third Edition: Stick Clan: Nosferatu antitribu (group 4) Capacity: 3 Disciplines: ANI Sabbat. Rarity: Third:V The perfection. Also: Malgorzata Clan: Tremere antitribu (group 4) Capacity: 9 Disciplines: AUS DOM THA VIC pre Sabbat priscus: Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled region from the game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another vampire in your uncontrolled region as a +1 stealth action. Rarity: Third:V For Her's special text, and discipline spread (tha+vic= 2/3 aggro damage, unpreventable by fortitude...nice!)

On 13 Sep 2006 11:08:29 -0700, "Kushiel" <invisibl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry, my mistake. I thought JD was when a vamp has too many >> disciplines, so that you can´t ever fit all the sweetness in one deck. >> So JD is an old expression from the Jyhad-justicars? >Yeah. Note how Angus and Democritus don't have all their in-clans at >superior. >Or maybe I'm wrong about what JD is. Anyone want to clarify? You have it almost right. None of the original justicars had fortitude at superior, in spite of it being in-clan for two of them and them all being 9 or 10 caps.

[ quoted text not captured ] Aha! So the original poster and I were both wrong. Thanks, Jeff. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Angus got the worst of it. 1) No (G1) Justicars have superior Fortitude 2) +1 strength was wicked overcosted 3) Gangrel Titles cost an extra point

antero wrote: > Isouda de Blaise? I heard that Great Greta with Obfuscate skillcard was > quite nasty in a Palla Grande/Embrace swarm bleed deck. Isouda is now the key to the all True Love's Face offense. To be published in the upcomming True Love's Face Newsletter. > Coolness points go to Jabba the H...erm, Joseph Cambridge, who just > blew poor old Judah completely out of the water. Well, ya know, Judah always sucked. And clearly also should have had inferior obfuscate *and* another minor ability on top. Just like Cambridge. -Peter

Jackie. Wow. Cheers, Dai

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh, really. How dumb of me! :( But still +1 stealth for 1 blood - not too impressive even with Earth Control. > And Skullduggery. Go 'narchs! Anarchs rock! But losing the Cardinal title after Anarch Secession won't justify playing Skulduggery :) Yours, Ector

Peter D Bakija wrote: > Isouda is now the key to the all True Love's Face offense. To be > published in the upcomming True Love's Face Newsletter. I prefer to play True Love's Face with Pariah. He gives you obf and pre to start with, plus it's a big smelly dog. That way when you bleed you can say, "+1 bleed, cause your girlfriend looks like this." -- Brian

Ector skrev: > > Last time I checked my binder there was cards in the protean section > > that give stealth. > Last time I checked my FELDB inferior Protean provided only Earth > Control (+1 stealth for 1 blood) and Horrific Countenance for 4 blood. > Not too much and isn't impressive at all. OK, you are right, the vamp sucks. Sorry for mailing. > > Block-decks are for pussys! If you can´t handle any other type of > > deck, you play a blockdeck :) > IMHO, you can effectively handle blocking decks only when you've > already mastered all other types of decks :) Well, I prefer playing decks thats actually puts me in new, creative situations every game. Mainly toolboxy decks. Blockdecks just blocks and deals. Around here, I think block decks are played mostly by people who prefer to win games by tablesplitting in turn 3 or 4 or so. That get pretty boring in casual games. > > > Can he intercept? Only with Animalism he won't be good at this. > > > > I guess he is just as good at intercept as Cailean. And Cailean has > > done more blocking than any other vamp I know. > More than Lucas Halton? More than Lazverinus? More than Anneke, Carna > or Ira Rivers? Sorry, but I really doubt here... You doubt my personal experience? Cool. Well, Anneke maybe then. > Not every enemy has S:CE, but if he has, you might just waste an action > (or a Wake, if you blocked). Cailean was so good because his special > allowed you to forget about maneuvers. With Ysador, you still have to > maneuver to long. Yes, you may combine it with Aid from Bats or Thrown > Gate, but one generally expects much better results from a 10-cap than > strike for 1 or 2, even if you add Carrion Crows. Trap + Carrion Crows > + Superior Mettle may be effective, but you'll need too many cards to > make things work. OK, I am wrong and you are right. I am the wound, you are the spear. The vamp sucks and will never see play. > > Sure, Stavros is a solid vamp, no argue. It´s just that I never get > > those malk-voter decks working. I will try that again now. > Stavros has almost nothing common with traditional Malk-voters that > usually had titles and Obfuscate, but no Presence. Superior OBF and PRE > make him a no-brainer in any stealth-voting deck. He rocks. He's much > better than just "solid" :) OK, Stavros is the man, better than solid.

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] Well, Ector just wanted to trash my first ideas of favorite 3 ed-vamps. Let him do it.

Peter D Bakija wrote: > Isouda is now the key to the all True Love's Face offense. To be > published in the upcomming True Love's Face Newsletter. True Love's Face Newsletter Vol 1, Number 1: True Love In Your Face by Isouda de Blaise and Palla Grande? Who steps forth to write it? > Well, ya know, Judah always sucked. And clearly also should have had > inferior obfuscate *and* another minor ability on top. Just like > Cambridge. In terms of effectiveness, yes. In terms of coolness, not B.J.C (before Joseph Cambridge). -Antero

Vragozakas skrev: > Malgorzata > Clan: Tremere antitribu (group 4) > Capacity: 9 > Disciplines: AUS DOM THA VIC pre > Sabbat priscus: Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled > region from the game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another > vampire in your uncontrolled region as a +1 stealth action. > > Rarity: Third:V > > For Her's special text, and discipline spread (tha+vic= 2/3 aggro > damage, unpreventable by fortitude...nice!) Like Blood Rage/Blood Fury and C.Marauder? Mmm. Better play lots of Horrid Forms then... to avoid getting hit back... and Horrids costs lots of blood. I´m sceptical.

antero wrote: > True Love's Face Newsletter Vol 1, Number 1: True Love In Your Face by > Isouda de Blaise and Palla Grande? Who steps forth to write it? Oh, itis already cornered by Jon Darbro. He has been working on that particular newsletter for years now. > In terms of effectiveness, yes. In terms of coolness, not B.J.C (before > Joseph Cambridge). Don't get me wrong. I love Judah. I have built decks and decks *just* so I could come up with an excuse to use Judah. But man. They couldn't have, like, thrown him inferior Obfuscate in the CE Nosferatu starter, and just claimed it was originally a "misprint" or something? -Peter