(LSJ) mark of damnation question

i put a mark of damnation on a vampire. does the card stay on the vampire after i'm ousted? normally i'd say yes. but the card can be destroyed with a d-action (against the controller - me). so if it stays in play how can the card be destroyed afterwards, i.e. who could block the destruction? thanks pallando -- __________________________________________________ lt. cmdr. pallando of g.a.b. black ice team G.A.B. was started to fight Bad Traders. Check out our website: http://www.gabtraders.com/ Join if you like.

pallando wrote: > > i put a mark of damnation on a vampire. Mark of Damnation: "(D) Put this card on a vampire controlled by your prey. ... The affected vampire may burn this card as an action." > does the card stay on the vampire > after i'm ousted? When you're ousted, you burn all cards you control at that time. > normally i'd say yes. but the card can be destroyed with a > d-action No: The action to bring the card into play is a (D)-action, so only your prey can block it, but the action to burn the card is not directed (card text). > (against the controller - me). You are not the controller: If you put a minion card like Army of Rats in play (but not on a vampire), you are the controller. And you are the controller of a master card you play. But when you play a minion-card (equipment, retainer, Atonement, MoD...) on a vampire, the controller of the minion card is the controller of the vampire the card is played on. So your prey is the controller of MoD. > so if it stays in play how can the > card be destroyed afterwards, i.e. who could block the destruction? the action to burn the card is not directed, so prey and predator can block it. Greetings, Michael

thanks! i should read the card text more carefully before asking questions! pallando -- __________________________________________________ lt. cmdr. pallando of g.a.b. black ice team G.A.B. was started to fight Bad Traders. Check out our website: http://www.gabtraders.com/ Join if you like. Michael Künzl <kue...@addcom.de> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: 39567409...@addcom.de... [ quoted text not captured ]

Actually this brings up a question of mine. For Pentex Subversion, going on what you just said the D action to destroy it is made against the person who put it there? so they get a chance to block? The way some people played it before is that it was against the controller of the vampire. Thanks In article <39567409...@addcom.de>, [ quoted text not captured ] Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

another odd question, say i play a skill card on another vamp (for whatever reason) and am then ousted, does that card stay in play? post #2 said master cards are controled by you... [ quoted text not captured ]

elu...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Actually this brings up a question of mine. For Pentex Subversion, > going on what you just said the D action to destroy it is made against > the person who put it there? so they get a chance to block? > > The way some people played it before is that it was against the > controller of the vampire. Thanks > > Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FCnzl?= <kue...@addcom.de> wrote: > > If you put a minion card like Army of Rats in play (but not on a > > vampire), you are the controller. And you are the controller of a > > master card you play. > > > > But when you play a minion-card (equipment, retainer, Atonement, > > MoD...) on a vampire, the controller of the minion card is the > > controller of the vampire the card is played on. So your prey is the > > controller of MoD. Pentex Subversion, being a master card, is controlled by the Methuselah who played it (since it has no card text to override that default). If a minion controlled by someone else takes an action to burn a Pentex Subversion you control, you may block. Rulebook [6.2.2.1]: -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

inr...@my-deja.com wrote: > > another odd question, say i play a skill card on another vamp (for > whatever reason) and am then ousted, does that card stay in play? post > #2 said master cards are controled by you... No. Cards you control are burned when you are ousted. [ quoted text not captured ]

>inr...@my-deja.com wrote: >> >> another odd question, say i play a skill card on another vamp (for >> whatever reason) and am then ousted, does that card stay in play? post >> #2 said master cards are controled by you... > >No. Cards you control are burned when you are ousted. > How about stealing? If you steal a discipline card with Ethan Locke or Daintain Black Magician, it is still controlled by the Methusaleh that played it? Thus I'm assuming it requires explicit card text (Fragment, Rack, or things like Disputed Territory and Succubus Club) to actually transfer control? Thanks! Halcyan 2

On 30 Jun 2000, Halcyan 2 wrote: > >No. Cards you control are burned when you are ousted. > > > > How about stealing? If you steal a discipline card with Ethan Locke or Daintain > Black Magician, it is still controlled by the Methusaleh that played it? Stealing implicitly changes control of the card to the new (stealing) Methuselah. > Thus I'm assuming it requires explicit card text (Fragment, Rack, or things > like Disputed Territory and Succubus Club) to actually transfer control? Implicit text works as well. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"