Weird Clan Impersonation Question

This happened last night and we needed some clarification: Vittorio Giovanni used clan impersonation to become a Lasombra, but as he didn't want to be a Sabbat (as Hannibal was in the game) he decided to be a Lasombra Independent like Lucita. Is this fair? Could he then use Clan Loyalty so that Lasombras can't block? And, if this is the case, could a vampire become a Malkavian Antitribu Independent or a Toreador Independent or a Ravnos Camarilla? Thanks! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

candl...@my-deja.com wrote: > This happened last night and we needed some clarification: Vittorio > Giovanni used clan impersonation to become a Lasombra, but as he > didn't want to be a Sabbat (as Hannibal was in the game) he decided to > be a Lasombra Independent like Lucita. Is this fair? Could he then use > Clan Loyalty so that Lasombras can't block? When he switches clans to a clan of a different sect, he switches sects as well. He's Sabbat, whether he wants to be or not. [10] > And, if this is the case, could a vampire become a Malkavian Antitribu > Independent or a Toreador Independent or a Ravnos Camarilla? Ravnos Camarilla is possible with a Writ of Acceptance or a successful Ravnos Acceptance referendum. The others are not possible under the current card set. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:9327av$f8j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > candl...@my-deja.com wrote: > > This happened last night and we needed some clarification: Vittorio > > Giovanni used clan impersonation to become a Lasombra, but as he > > didn't want to be a Sabbat (as Hannibal was in the game) he decided to > > be a Lasombra Independent like Lucita. Is this fair? Could he then use > > Clan Loyalty so that Lasombras can't block? > > When he switches clans to a clan of a different sect, > he switches sects as well. He's Sabbat, whether he wants > to be or not. [10] > So (if I understand it correctely) a Camarilla vamp that 's been Deranged is automatically Sabat. ergo: he loses his title, thereby losing his right to play Traditions. Is this right? > > And, if this is the case, could a vampire become a Malkavian Antitribu > > Independent or a Toreador Independent or a Ravnos Camarilla? > > Ravnos Camarilla is possible with a Writ of Acceptance or a > successful Ravnos Acceptance referendum. The others are not > possible under the current card set. > Can I play a Clan Impersonation and chose to become one of the Independent Antitribu clans (eg !Ravnos), i'm guessing not. but you never know. Maybe it's only possible if these clans are releases (hint hint) [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <rK856.76531$MA1.2...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>, jeroen rombouts <jeroen....@pandora.be> writes >So (if I understand it correctely) a Camarilla vamp that 's been Deranged is >automatically Sabat. > >ergo: he loses his title, thereby losing his right to play Traditions. Is >this right? Yes. (Whilst the vampire remains Sabbat. Once they become Camarilla again, they can pick it up again, assuming they haven't been forced to relinquish it.) >Can I play a Clan Impersonation and chose to become one of the Independent >Antitribu clans (eg !Ravnos), i'm guessing not. but you never know. Maybe >it's only possible if these clans are releases (hint hint) There are no !Ravnos in V:TES, so no. You must pick a clan that's in the game. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "What's wrong with wanting more? If you can fly -- then soar! With all there is, why settle for just a piece of sky?"

>>So (if I understand it correctely) a Camarilla vamp that 's been Deranged is >>automatically Sabat. >> >>ergo: he loses his title, thereby losing his right to play Traditions. Is >>this right? > > Yes. (Whilst the vampire remains Sabbat. Once they become Camarilla > again, they can pick it up again, assuming they haven't been forced to > relinquish it.) What if a Camarilla vampire equips with a Writ of Acceptance and then gets Deranged? Does the Derange override the effect of the Writ, or does the Writ modify sect status after the Derange effect is factored in? >>Can I play a Clan Impersonation and chose to become one of the Independent >>Antitribu clans (eg !Ravnos), i'm guessing not. but you never know. Maybe >>it's only possible if these clans are releases (hint hint) > > There are no !Ravnos in V:TES, so no. You must pick a clan that's in > the game. Yeah you can only choose among the clans currently in the game (the clans listed in the rulebook). If WW does decide to introduce the !Ravnos into the game, then you'll be able to Clan Impersonate into them. Halcyan 2

In article <20010104231847...@ng-cr1.aol.com>, halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote: > What if a Camarilla vampire equips with a Writ of Acceptance > and then gets Deranged? Does the Derange override the effect > of the Writ, or does the Writ modify sect status after the > Derange effect is factored in? The Derange makes the vampire a Malkavian Antitribu, and the Writ keeps it a member of the Camarilla. The vampire becomes a Camarilla Malkavian Antitribu. Derange does not specify anything about sect, so only effects the sect of the victim when other effects are not in play (ie, Writ of Acceptance). Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://lasombra.tripod.com http://legbiter.tripod.com http://vekn_clans.tripod.com [ quoted text not captured ]

> > This happened last night and we needed some clarification: Vittorio > > Giovanni used clan impersonation to become a Lasombra, but as he > > didn't want to be a Sabbat (as Hannibal was in the game) he decided to > > be a Lasombra Independent like Lucita. Is this fair? Could he then use > > Clan Loyalty so that Lasombras can't block? > > When he switches clans to a clan of a different sect, > he switches sects as well. He's Sabbat, whether he wants > to be or not. [10] So, on the same lines, can I play a Clan Impersonation on Lucita in order for her to become a Lasombra Sabbat ?

"Stabe" <gilles....@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > When he switches clans to a clan of a different sect, > > he switches sects as well. He's Sabbat, whether he wants > > to be or not. [10] > > So, on the same lines, can I play a Clan Impersonation on Lucita in > order for her to become a Lasombra Sabbat ? Yes, if she changes clans by doing so (so she'd have to be non-Lasombra when she takes the action to impersonate a Lasombra). [ quoted text not captured ]