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Official VEKN Nosferatu Newsletter for June, 2003

10 messages from 8 participants · 15 June 2003 – 17 June 2003
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Peter D Bakija

Official VEKN Nosferatu Newsletter for June, 2003 Yaa! A new Nosferatu newsletter! A few months back, when I posted my last newsletter, I put out a call for a few Nosferatu themed decks to use in a deck clinic kinda deal for my next newsletter, but, well, as three months passed and I am easily confused, I accidentally deleted the submissions, and am without them for this newsletter (although thanks to everyone who sent in decks!). On the upside, however, a new expansion came out since the last newsletter, leaving me with a bunch of new vampires and cards to review! For those of you just joining us, all of my old Nosferatu Newsletters (37 of them, spanning the last 5 years) are archived at my own doofus website: http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6/vtes.html So anyway, the Anarchs set was released not to long ago, and with this set came a good chunk of solid new material for the Nosferatu to use and take advantage of, which I will review now... Clarissa Steinburgen (3) ani, obf. *** Clarissa is a perfectly standard 3 points, group three vampire, with two in clan disciplines that actually work pretty well together. Nothing real splashy, very utilitarian, and shešs kinda cute for a Nosferatu! The biggest strike against Clarissa, however, isnšt really something that is her fault--did the group 2/3 crypt really *need* another ani/obf vampire? They already have access to Shannon Price (for whom I have a sick affection...) and her much suaver cousin, Panagos Levidis. Clarissa is functionally identical, giving a group 2/3 animalism obfuscate deck three good cheap vampires to fill out their crypt with. While this certainly isnšt a bad thing, Clarissa would have been much better served (or more specifically, the Nosferatu cause would have been much better served) is Clarissa had been, say, a neo-Duck, with pot/obf instead, allowing for a very solid group 2/3 pot/obf crypt. But we didnšt get that, which is ok. Sundown (6) ANI, POT, obf, pre. During a referendum, Sundown can burn 1 blood to gain 1 vote. ***** Sundown is a fantastic Nosferatu vampire in every way. Good discipline spread, efficient use of points, reasonable special ability, fantastic picture, and all in a good, mid sized package. Sundown can go in many different deck types, including animalism/potence combat (which is certainly a viable strategy with a group 2/3 crypt), any kind of general Nosferatu strategy, and even some sort of kooky Nosferatu with presence vote deck, hanging around with Amadeo and their kinda lame pal Harrod. And how cool is that flight jacket he is decked out in? Very hip. Tusk, The Talebearer (6) OBF, pot, ani. Advanced. When Tusk declares an action, you may burn the top card of your library. If the burned card requires Obfuscate, then Tusk gets +1 stealth for the current action. Otherwise Tusk burns one blood. * Oh, Tusk, Tusk, Tusk. You could have been a contender. You could have been someone. Instead? Youšre just a chump. Well, ok, that is kinda harsh. Advanced Tusk doesnšt improve upon non advanced Tusk at all, discipline wise, so he is still behind a couple points of abilities, and paying 6 points for only one superior discipline is kind of steep. So Tusk clearly needs to have a solid special to recomend him. His special is, in actuality, kinda cool. When combined with old Tuskšs special, you can always burn the top card of your library to get +1 stealth (when you know there is an Obfuscate card on top), which, when faced with a non blocking prey, helps you clear junk from your deck. In theory, this is pretty solid. Sadly, however, to really get good use out of this, you need to have Tusk and Tusk advanced combined. Which means your crypt has both Tusk and Tusk advanced in it. And probably a Gift of Experience in a master slot, just to make sure you can have both at the same time. And then you need to merge them. All of which is *way* too much work for a kinda cool special ability, when it comes from a 6 point vampire with only one superior discipline. Sad. I like his new picture, though. Smallpox Griet (9) POT, OBF, CEL, ANI, thn. If Smallpox successfully inflicts hand damage in consecutive rounds of combat, the opponent gets a pox counter. A minion with any pox counter takes 1 damage during his or her untap phase. Burn all pox counters when Smallpox leaves the ready region. ** Smallpox is kinda cool in theory, but in practice, she is going to be really hard to get mileage out of. A good discipline spread, sure, but she really needs to be in a good combat deck, and good combat decks donšt generally work well with 9 point vampires. Sure, you could build a whole deck around her, but these types of decks are generally difficult to work. On the up side, if you do get her to work, when she sends someone to torpor, they are probably going to stay there, as when they come out, they are just going to end up eternally hunting. Not bad, but just too difficult to make work in practice. In terms of new vampires, the Nosferatu did pretty well, what with 2 very playable new smallish vampires, a cool if unwieldy huge vampire, and, well, Tusk+. Combined with the two or three new Caitiff that can find a home with the Nosferatu (Eddie Gaines, Lisa Noble, Hannah Redmond), the group 2/3 Nosferatu crypt has been rounded out a great deal. The Nosferatu also got a really cool new ally, Nosferatu Bestial (which has a lot of text that i donšt feel like copying here). Bestial is a potent new weapon in the arsenal of the animalism intercept arm of any Nosferatu strategy, giving you a solid blocking vampire for 1 pool, and more importantly, a way to flood your vampires with Raven Spies. Every turn, Bestial can pick up a new spy, which can conveniently be sent to live with a pal via a trip to Heidelberg Castle. The saving of an action on a regular basis is fairly huge, and even without Heidelberg, Bestial can make a significant blocker with a posse of Ravens and Aid from Bats. Very cool. That is all for this newsletter. Hopefully, Išll be back next month or so with another installment. Peter D Bakija PD...@bigplanet.com http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6 "My health is failing me, so I flip on the television, and watch sad movies and look for sad, sick people like me." -Tegan and Sara

LSJ

Peter D Bakija wrote: > Clarissa Steinburgen (3) ani, obf. *** Clarissa is a perfectly standard 3 > points, group three vampire, with two in clan disciplines that actually work > pretty well together. Nothing real splashy, very utilitarian, and sheıs > kinda cute for a Nosferatu! The biggest strike against Clarissa, however, > isnıt really something that is her fault--did the group 2/3 crypt really > *need* another ani/obf vampire? They already have access to Shannon Price > (for whom I have a sick affection...) and her much suaver cousin, Panagos > Levidis. Clarissa is functionally identical, giving a group 2/3 animalism For small values of "identical", perhaps. :-) Clarissa can play neither Renegade Garou nor Courier, for example, while she can play Patagia, which makes her different, functionally. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Peter D Bakija

LSJ wrote: > For small values of "identical", perhaps. :-) > Clarissa can play neither Renegade Garou nor Courier, for example, while she > can play Patagia, which makes her different, functionally. Certainly a valid point. So, um, that means that the Nosferatu can get a 4 point vampire with POT, obf now? I mean, cummon--Agatha can't grow Patagia either... :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija

I wrote: > They already have access to Shannon Price > (for whom I have a sick affection...) and her much suaver cousin, Panagos > Levidis. Clarissa is functionally identical, giving a group 2/3 animalism > obfuscate deck three good cheap vampires to fill out their crypt with. So I was thinking about this, and was trying to figure out how many vampires are exact copies of each other, discipline wise, and are in compatable groups. Clarissa, Shannon, and Panagos all can go in a 2/3 crypt, and are all 3's with ani, obf. Yeah, they are different clans, but there being 3 mostly identical vampires bigger than 2 with the exact same disciplines and being the same size makes them a kind of unusual group (and makes an animalism/obfuscate crypt very reasonably sized). Off the top of my head, I can think of similar groups: -The Giovanni twins (both 3's with pot, nec). Kind of mysterious that they both got made--I always wondered if one was a mistake. -Raziya, Tommy, Darva (3's with ani, pot). Now that i think of it, these three arepretty much in the exact same spot as Clarissa, Shannon, and Panagos. -Jing-Wei, Brooke, Erich Weiss (all 3's with dom, tha). Granted, you can only use 2 of them at a time, as they are groups 1, 2, and 3 respectively. -Various 2 point vampires with the same discipline, but other than pot (of which you can put 4 of them in one crypt--KoKo, Lupo, Mitchel, Paul), I can't think of any particular discipline that gets more than 2 of a particular 2 with a discipline. Can anyone think of any other twin/triplets? [ quoted text not captured ]

Charles Lechasseur

In article <BB1295EE.FC7D%PD...@bigplanet.com>, Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> wrote: >-Various 2 point vampires with the same discipline, but other than pot (of >which you can put 4 of them in one crypt--KoKo, Lupo, Mitchel, Paul), I >can't think of any particular discipline that gets more than 2 of a >particular 2 with a discipline. most disciplines have triplets, although few of them can have 3 vamps with the discipline in the same crypt due to grouping. (in this analysis i only considered vamps with one inferior discipline only... in your example, Mitchell is not really identical with the others, since he has obt. Arnold Simpson is also a clone of those vamps, although he is group 3.) ani: Vliam Andor (1), Dani (2), Mouse (3) aus: Brazil (1), Dieter Kleist (1), Almiro Suarez (3) cel: Angel (1), Kanya Akhtar (2) and Carter (2) - can use them all in one crypt dom: Mustafa Rahman (2), Ohanna (2), Marcianna Giovanni (2), Samson (2) - wow, can use then all 4 in one crypt! very powerful for such a discipline... for: Rufina Soledad (1), Giuliano Vincenzi (1) and Sarah Raines (3) - last one is also probably undercosted by about 0.0001 point, having a special. :) obf: Normal (1), Dimple (1), Krid (3) pre: Delilah Easton (1), Vasilis (2), Frederick the Weak (2), Emerson Wilkershire III (3) - can use 3 of them in any given crypt, not bad for such a discipline. pro: Sadie (2)... sad :( tha: Roreca Quaid (1), Heinrick Schlempt (2) - twins only -- charles lechasseur - da...@novideospamtron.ca

Halcyan 2

>dom: Mustafa Rahman (2), Ohanna (2), Marcianna Giovanni (2), Samson (2) - >wow, can use then all 4 in one crypt! very powerful for such a >discipline... Also note that Marcianna isn't your standard 2-cap. Has a useful intercept ability, but is also hampered by additional costs when bleeding (which hurts with dom). >pro: Sadie (2)... sad :( Probably a good thing. Too many protean weenies makes it far too easy to Wolf Claws + Amaranth. You lose your 10-cap, I lose a 2-cap. Etc. Halcyan 2

Legendre

Can't think of any triplets or twins off the top of my head, but I /did/ just win (barely) a very very difficult game in my playgroup with a straight Nosferatu deck. Down went the Ventrue Vote/Hostile. Down went the Setite Vote/Bloat/BaneMummyRush/Bleed. Down went Torrie Gun Intercept. Murat and Amadeo kick ass. Nosferatu rule. -Legendre

Timlagor

> dom: Mustafa Rahman (2), Ohanna (2), Marcianna Giovanni (2), Samson (2) - > wow, can use then all 4 in one crypt! very powerful for such a > discipline... All 4 in *ANY* crypt!

dancingmummy

Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> wrote in message news:<BB1295EE.FC7D%PD...@bigplanet.com>... > Can anyone think of any other twin/triplets? Ooh! Ooh! 3 capacity, aus obf. Group 1/2 gives you Dollface, Dan Murdock, and Regilio, the Seeker of Akhenaton. Even in group 2/3 you keep Regilio, the Seeker of Akhenaton and gain Milo, the Invisible Horror. A solid backbone to any "all my vampires have high-sounding epithets" deck. -Jon, maker of pointless (and occasionally recursive) epithets [ quoted text not captured ]

Khervin U. Cheng Chua

[ quoted text not captured ] My favorites as of the moment - Leon and Bothwell (3 caps with ani, for)... and you can throw in Muse as well though she's not exactly identical (she's got) but I usually refer to these three as the "triplets"... Drawing Out the Beast, Trap, Undead Persistence :) And of course there's also Raven and Camille... Khervin