Island of Yiaros and adding votes

I think I already asked this question once, but can't find the answer. Also, I can't find a message that talks about it in the group, so here goes: Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue +hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? While the combat occured following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) Seems like there should be a message in the newsgroup saying we could, but I can't find it. :-( Thanks!

In message <703899b7.01071...@posting.google.com>, Frederic Genest <gen...@iname.com> writes >Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue >+hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? No. > While the combat occured >following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I >don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the >voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) There is no referendum. That it occurred from a blocked political action is irrelevant. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F She twirled a lock of hair around her forefinger and smiled B457CA213D7E6 faintly. "Actually, I'd settle for a small Greek." 68C3695D623D5D

gen...@iname.com (Frederic Genest) wrote: >Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue >+hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? No. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com

LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message news:<3B4F...@MailAndNews.com>... > gen...@iname.com (Frederic Genest) wrote: > >Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue > >+hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? > > No. Then, what about the following: My predator calls a Political Action. I block. I control the Island of Yiaros. Can I play Surprise Influence to take advantage of the Island, because the combat takes place "during a political action, albeit a blocked one"? I don't think so but I am unclear on the timing of the action vs block. Similar question for Ventrue Headquarters.

In message <f22b1d86.01071...@posting.google.com>, Frédéric Gingras <frederic...@sympatico.ca> writes >Can I play Surprise Influence to take advantage of the Island, >because the combat takes place "during a political action, albeit a >blocked one"? No. During a political action, from older sets, typically means during a referendum. [ quoted text not captured ]

frederic...@sympatico.ca (Frédéric Gingras) wrote: >LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote: >> gen...@iname.com (Frederic Genest) wrote: >> >Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue >> >+hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? >> >> No. > >Then, what about the following: > >My predator calls a Political Action. I block. I control the Island of >Yiaros. Can I play Surprise Influence to take advantage of the Island, >because the combat takes place "during a political action, albeit a >blocked one"? >I don't think so but I am unclear on the timing of the action vs >block. No. >Similar question for Ventrue Headquarters. Ventrue HQ doesn't give a vampire votes, it gives "you" votes. [ quoted text not captured ]

<...> Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue > +hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? While the combat occured > following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I > don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the > voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) > Funny thing happened the last time I used IoY in a Nossie vote and bruise deck. Sheldon had become legendary. A very stupid Tzim; tried to block sheldon's bleed. Combat went as follows: "Drawing out the Beast - torn signpost - tap IoY - Burning Wrath" vs "hands for 2" damage: (3 + 5 + 2)=10 AGG vs 2 Burn!!!!!!

On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:21:35 GMT, "jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote: ><...> > Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue >> +hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? While the combat occured >> following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I >> don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the >> voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) >> >Funny thing happened the last time I used IoY in a Nossie vote and bruise >deck. Assuming that you had a Ventrue handy to bring out Island of Yiaros to begin with, as it requires Ventrue? =) >Sheldon had become legendary. A very stupid Tzim; tried to block sheldon's >bleed. Combat went as follows: -- Derek "be dirty. that will wake me up." -- name withheld to protect the guilty

"jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote in message news:<31f47.8866$Xy1.1...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>... [ quoted text not captured ] Try the same thing with a Legendary Lazvernius.

"Derek Ray" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b7c3ltccqgrbegfc3...@4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:21:35 GMT, "jeroen rombouts" > <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote: > > ><...> > > Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue > >> +hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? While the combat occured > >> following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I > >> don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the > >> voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) > >> > >Funny thing happened the last time I used IoY in a Nossie vote and bruise > >deck. > > Assuming that you had a Ventrue handy to bring out Island of Yiaros to > begin with, as it requires Ventrue? =) > Who doesn't include Suhaila in a nossie prince deck? and Rufina for back-up.

What are the effects of Island of Yiaros on Gratiano? Does he get +2 since he has 2 votes in the Priscis subreferendum? thanks brad

LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message news:<3B5A...@MailAndNews.com>... > frederic...@sympatico.ca (Frédéric Gingras) wrote: > >LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote: > >> gen...@iname.com (Frederic Genest) wrote: > >> >Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue > >> >+hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? > >> > >> No. > > > >Then, what about the following: > > > >My predator calls a Political Action. I block. I control the Island of > >Yiaros. Can I play Surprise Influence to take advantage of the Island, > >because the combat takes place "during a political action, albeit a > >blocked one"? > >I don't think so but I am unclear on the timing of the action vs > >block. > > No. > > >Similar question for Ventrue Headquarters. > > Ventrue HQ doesn't give a vampire votes, it gives "you" votes. Sorry, I meant the Ventrue Directorate Assembly. In our game, a combat follows the block of a Political Action, so the argument was made it takes place in the context of the PA. The Island of Yiaros's power could take advantage of the situation if the VDA vote increase still applies in combat. What is the official ruling? I expect the vote increase to be effectve only during a referendum.

In message <tl4dq4q...@corp.supernews.com>, Bradly Ward <br...@jakescrane.com> writes >What are the effects of Island of Yiaros on Gratiano? Does he get +2 since >he has 2 votes in the Priscis subreferendum? Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects that operate based on the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR 19970630] [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <f22b1d86.01071...@posting.google.com>, Frédéric Gingras <frederic...@sympatico.ca> writes >In our game, a combat follows the block of a Political Action, so the >argument was made it takes place in the context of the PA. No. The votes provided are "during political actions" which typically means "during a referendum". [Final Nights Rulesbook] > The Island >of Yiaros's power could take advantage of the situation if the VDA >vote increase still applies in combat. Which it doesn't. >What is the official ruling? I expect the vote increase to be effectve >only during a referendum. Correct. [6.3.2] [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot <X_Ze...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:d2f8d37b.01071...@posting.google.com... > "jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote in message news:<31f47.8866$Xy1.1...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>... > > <...> > > Can a Bewitching Oration be added during combat to give a Ventrue > > > +hand damage using the Island of Yiaros? While the combat occured > > > following the block of an attempt at calling a political action, I > > > don't think so since the BO is only usable during a "referendum" (the > > > voting part), and we are obviously not there. :-) > > > > > Funny thing happened the last time I used IoY in a Nossie vote and bruise > > deck. > > Sheldon had become legendary. A very stupid Tzim; tried to block > > Sheldon's bleed. Combat went as follows: > > > > "Drawing out the Beast - torn signpost - tap IoY - Burning Wrath" vs > > "hands for 2" > > damage: (3 + 5 + 2)=10 AGG vs 2 > > > > Burn!!!!!! > > Try the same thing with a Legendary Lazvernius. Ouch. I think by rights this should be limited to "a Camarilla vampire" you control, if not "a Ventrue you control". As it is, a Regent could use it... I think that technically only the +2 from a BW may actually be aggravated, if that weird ruling I read about Uncontrollable Rage holds true... So many posts and nobody was anal enough to quote the card. I'm impressed! Here goes (Master: Unique location, requires a Ventrue, and costs two pool) ____________ Tap to give a vampire you control +X <strength> for one strike, where X is the number of votes the vampire has (e.g., a prince gets +2 <strength>). This card may be burned by any vampire as a D action; Brujah get -1 stealth when attempting that action. ____________ I still think the fact that it's a location makes it vulnerable enough, and having the "burn as a D action" as well makes it a bit too fragile. -Michael