Khazar's decks anyone ?

I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... Thanks. -- Orpheus, unofficial Shemti model.

Orpheus <orphe...@deadspamfree.fr> wrote: > I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as > good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... One of them just won the New England Regional Qualifier. Stay tuned for Ben Swainbank's entry into the TWDA.

On Feb 5, 6:38 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote: > I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as > good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... I've been grappling with this as well. I am working on a Cry Wolf + Khazar's Diary deck, figuring there is synergy between self-burning unique werewolves and the Diary's "when a unique minion in play is burned" clause. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of moving parts and I don't see this being particularly efficient. - Just going Anarch for the Wolf is a burden. - One needs Khazar's in play early to accumulate counters. - Stealth is advisable on Cry Wolf. - Cry Wolf's ally may require some combat functions. Guillaume Giovanni solves some of the problems. Additional stealth on recruits and increased hand size both seem good here. But, in the long run, the deck look more "cutesy" than "dangerous" Here is the skeleton: I would appreciate any comments that the community can offer to make it workable. I'll offer comments on why the cards already listed are there. Deck Name : Impossible Dream Author : Darby Keeney Crypt [5 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 9 average: 8.8 ------------------------------------------------------------ 4x Guillaume Giovanni 9 CEL DOM NEC POT obt Giovanni:4 1x Baldesar Rossellin 8 DOM POT aus for nec Giovanni:4 */ Vampires with stealth, handsize, and cost reduction. */ Likely just add smallcap nerds to fill to 12. Library [74 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [11] 7x Govern the Unaligned 3x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) 1x New Management */ New Management is questionable. */ but if successful, it's big. Action Modifier [9] 5x Call of the Hungry Dead 4x Empowering the Puppet King */ Could easily see this carrying more EtPK for */ the ally bleeds. Action Modifier/Reaction [5] 5x Spectral Divination Ally [16] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 10x Cry Wolf 1x Gregory Winter 1x Leonardo, Mortician 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1x Repo Man 1x Vagabond Mystic */ All are unique. All add some function */ to the deck, until I find a way to burn them */ under Khazar's Diary. Of the bunch, */ the Repo Man is clearly the least helpful. Combat [2] 2x Mercy for Seth */ Might as well burn other people's allies too. Equipment [2] 1x Stolen Police Cruiser 1x Unlicensed Taxicab */ The taxicab is good - the cruiser, maybe not. */ I included it since I have the Repo Man (well, */ he IS unique......). If I get to over 90 cards, the */ whole 3-card module can be jettisoned. Event [2] 1x FBI Special Affairs Division 1x Unmasking, The */ Both are too good to leave out of ally-combat decks Master [18] 1x Anarch Railroad 3x Blood Doll 1x Dummy Corporation 1x Mob Connections 1x Morgue Hunting Ground 1x Parthenon, The 1x Powerbase: Cape Verde 1x Seattle Committee 1x Secure Haven 2x Therbold Realty 1x Tomb of Rameses III 1x Tower of London 3x Vessel */ Some of these Masters are pretty much sacrifical */ though most will increase hand size AND offer some */ other perk. Cumulative cost is a HUGE issue. Reaction [9] 5x Deflection 4x On the Qui Vive */ OtQV for the Cry Wolves, if they survive their innate */ rush Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Tue Feb 05 09:28:54 2008]

On Feb 5, 10:47 am, Darby Keeney <darby.kee...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 5, 6:38 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote: > > > I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > > anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as > > good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... > > I've been grappling with this as well. I am working on a Cry Wolf + > Khazar's Diary deck, figuring there is synergy between self-burning > unique werewolves and the Diary's "when a unique minion in play > is burned" clause. > > Unfortunately, there are a LOT of moving parts and I don't see > this being particularly efficient. > > - Just going Anarch for the Wolf is a burden. > - One needs Khazar's in play early to accumulate counters. > - Stealth is advisable on Cry Wolf. > - Cry Wolf's ally may require some combat functions. Talbot's Chainsaw to help burn your allies with the untap damage. John P. Winnipeg

[ quoted text not captured ] Needs moar Expiate :P On a serious note, if you're going anarch anyway, Gear Up is too good not to use. -witness1

On Feb 5, 10:47 am, Darby Keeney <darby.kee...@gmail.com> wrote: > 4x Guillaume Giovanni 9 CEL DOM NEC POT obt Giovanni:4 Obtenebration screams: "Use Nocturns" for this deck. (with thanks to James on IRC for imitating Cardbot) John P. Winnipeg

[ quoted text not captured ] It has been since pointed out that Khazar's only gets counters from unique allies, so Nocturns not so good. John P.

On Feb 5, 10:58 am, "John P." <jtpat...@mts.net> wrote: > Talbot's Chainsaw to help burn your allies with the untap damage. Somehow, I don't think killing my own allies will be a problems. Cry Wolf self-destructs - that's why I chose it. Gregory Winter can self-destruct easily. Carlton Van Wynk can self-destruct in a couple of ways. The inherent risk of the Chainsaw doesn't seem to be worth having an easy way to kiill the other 4. On a side note, I'll be adding Malajit Chandramouli and maybe Robert Carter to the deck, since they both also have burn clauses.

[ quoted text not captured ] Ummmm. Nocturns are not unique, therefore do not trigger the Diary's counter event. Likewise, Topdogs are not helpful. Thanks for the suggestions though!

On Feb 5, 11:14 am, witness1 <jwnewqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On a serious note, if you're going anarch anyway, Gear Up is too good > not to use. Hmmmm. Perhaps. How do you feel about 2x Sudario Refraction instead (a neverending multi-card recursion engine, instead of a one-shot with an untap). Seems like the 3-card random discard, while less predictable, might actually be better.

> On a side note, I'll be adding Malajit Chandramouli > and maybe Robert Carter to the deck, since they both > also have burn clauses. I don't think retainers are considered minions... I have had success using Jake Washington and weenie(ish) Giovanni... you just get as many Khazar's out and burn as many Jakes as you can. Also use Repo man for an extra action and block potential. I had also thought to use Embraces because they'll get superior nec eventually but they seem to just get in the way. Cycle with sudarios. I've also tried Cry Wolf but it's way too many actions and too slow. J

"Orpheus" <orphe...@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote in message news:47a866e3$0$14127$426a...@news.free.fr... > I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... I threw this deck together as a joke. I then got two game wins in the two casual games I have played it. Crazy Khazar: 2x Paul DiCarlo, The Alpha 2x Marciana Giovanni, Investigator 2x Lia Milliner 2x Mario Giovanni 2x Cristofero Giovanni 2x Rudolpho Giovanni The Barrens Fragment of the Book of Nod 6x Effective Management 4x Tribute to the Master Chair of Hades 14x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) 2x Haunt 2x Sudario Refraction Resume the Coil 4x Call the Hungry Dead 4x Spectral Divination 6x Spiritual Intervention Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith) Felix "Fix" Hessian (Wraith) Gregory Winter Leonardo, Mortitian Ossian 2x Procurer Tye Cooper Vagabond Mystic Young Bloods 4x Werewolf Pack ----------- enjoy, Jay Kristoff

On 5 Feb, 13:38, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote: > I read omewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > anyoneshow me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as > good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... Here is my latest..... I'll create a new topic for it too.... Deck Name : Khazar Trouble Author : JB Description : Just do stuff asap. It's only been played twice and very funny it was too. I haven't come across many comvat decks with this though... Any thoughts on improvement LMK Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 7 average: 3.67 ------------------------------------------------------------ 2x Isabel Giovanni 5 DOM NEC pot Giovanni:2 2x Gloria Giovanni 4 DOM nec Giovanni:2 2x Rudolfo Giovanni 3 NEC Giovanni:2 2x Paul DiCarlo, The 2 pot Giovanni:2 1x Andrea Giovanni 7 DOM NEC pot vic Giovanni:2 1x Cristofero Giovann 3 nec pot Giovanni:2 1x Lia Milliner 3 dom nec Giovanni:3 1x Mario Giovanni 3 nec pot Giovanni:2 Library [60 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [15] 1x Aranthebes, The Immortal 2x Embrace, The 8x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) 4x Sudario Refraction Action Modifier [12] 9x Call of the Hungry Dead 3x Conditioning Ally [11] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 2x Gregory Winter 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1x Ossian 2x Procurer 2x Repo Man 2x Vagabond Mystic Master [17] 1x Acquired Ventrue Assets 1x Anarch Troublemaker 1x Dreams of the Sphinx 4x Jake Washington (Hunter) 3x Liquidation 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 5x Vessel 1x Wash Reaction [5] 2x Deflection 1x Delaying Tactics 2x On the Qui Vive

[ quoted text not captured ] While nocturns do not count as unique for removing counters they are easy to cycle, they die quickly, and can still be brought from the ash heap to make into wraiths. The untap after you recruit them is nice for playing more diaries, or other good stuff. They are probably only useful to you if you decide to abandon the cry wolf and the anarch side of things. 12 cards you could replace 6 nocturns and 6 more copies of the diary. I personally hate Cry wolf cause of the drawback if blocked. But this may be too much of a corruption of your deck idea. -John P Winnipeg

On Feb 5, 1:03 pm, sin...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On a side note, I'll be adding Malajit Chandramouli > > and maybe Robert Carter to the deck, since they both > > also have burn clauses. > > I don't think retainers are considered minions... Doh. You're SO right. The cheating phase never ends. > I have had success using Jake Washington and weenie(ish) Giovanni... > you just get as many Khazar's out and burn as many Jakes as you can. > Also use Repo man for an extra action and block potential. I had also > thought to use Embraces because they'll get superior nec eventually > but they seem to just get in the way. And Jake is a nice addition. > I've also tried Cry Wolf but it's way too many actions and too slow. I think I still need to give it a go. Humor value is just too high.

On Feb 5, 2:07 pm, "John P." <jtpat...@mts.net> wrote: > They are probably only useful to you if you decide to abandon > the cry wolf and the anarch side of things. 12 cards you could replace > 6 nocturns and 6 more copies of the diary. > > I personally hate Cry wolf cause of the drawback if blocked. > But this may be too much of a corruption of your deck idea. Have Julius recruit the Cry Wolfs. Heads you win, tails they lose!

[ quoted text not captured ] julius seem hot for diary deck :D what about traped/zip gun/thin blood/mumify [AWERSOME!] julius/jake with haven uncovered[as you can sacrafice many minions and maybe even torp someone :D ?

Orpheus ha scritto: [ quoted text not captured ] Hi, This is a decklist I put together when LotN was released. It focuses on burning others' minions rather than (or along with) yours. I haven't had the occasion to try it out yet, so I definitely can't define it "successful"... Theory: rush with Giovanni weenies and diablerize vampires (getting possibly burned in the Blood HUnt) to put counters on Khazar's Diary. Then swarm your prey to death with the summoned wraiths while rushing keeps your predator in check. Foreseen practice: Too few Diaries to reliably get one at the beginning of the game. Problematic blood management. Insufficient card cycling. ------------------------------------------------------------ Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 6 average: 4.25 ------------------------------------------------------------ 1x Accorri Giovanni 6 DOM POT ani nec Giovanni:5 1x Benedict Giovanni, 6 FOR POT cel dom nec Giovanni:4 1x Francis Milliner 6 NEC POT pre vic Giovanni:4 1x Donatello Giovanni 5 DOM aus pot pre Giovanni:4 1x Gianmaria Giovanni 5 POT dom nec obt Giovanni:5 1x Margaret Milliner 5 dom for nec pot pre Giovanni:4 1x Primo Giovanni 4 dom nec pot Giovanni:4 1x Thomasso Ghiberti 4 NEC pot Giovanni:4 1x Almodo Giovanni 3 dom pot Giovanni:4 1x Nunzio Giovanni 3 nec pot Giovanni:4 1x Cristobal Ghiberti 2 nec Giovanni:4 1x Eric Milliner 2 pot Giovanni:5 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [22] 6x Bum's Rush 1x Graverobbing 5x Harass 7x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) 1x Possession 2x Sudario Refraction Action Modifier [8] 2x Call of the Hungry Dead 3x Empowering the Puppet King 3x Shroudsight Action Modifier/Reaction [3] 3x Spectral Divination Ally [1] 1x Tye Cooper Combat [37] 4x Amaranth 2x Dead Hand 6x Disarm 10x Immortal Grapple 5x Slam 6x Torn Signpost 4x Undead Strength Master [10] 1x Frontal Assault 1x Haven Uncovered 1x Jake Washington (Hunter) 1x Potence 1x Powerbase: Cape Verde 5x Vessel Reaction [9] 5x Deflection 4x On the Qui Vive ------------------------------------------------------------ Ciao ciao, Emiliano

On Feb 6, 2:43 am, Emiliano Imeroni <emiliano.imer...@gmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Lorrie Dunsirn might be worth using if you think you can afford the pool cost to rush with her. With a single Immortal Grapple played she can tear people up in combat. > Library [90 cards] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Action [22] > 6x Bum's Rush > 1x Graverobbing > 5x Harass > 7x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) 7 is probably ok to see one before you burn a vampire. You only have 4 Amaranth, so its quiet likely you can just leave someone in torpor for a little while if you don't have a diary in play yet. If you can find room to go to 8, that would be better. > 1x Possession I don't think Possession is very good at inferior nec and very few of your guys have NEC. On the other hand, Daemonic Possession is still good at inf nec and even if you can't get good use out of one of their guys you can always use them to diablerize. > 2x Sudario Refraction > > Action Modifier [8] > 2x Call of the Hungry Dead > 3x Empowering the Puppet King > 3x Shroudsight I'm not sure about Shroudsight. It might be better to just play 3 more copies of whatever cards you plan to recycle with it. I guess I should test it to see. Please let us know your opinion of it if you ever play it. > > Action Modifier/Reaction [3] > 3x Spectral Divination > > Ally [1] > 1x Tye Cooper I think you'll want some more allies, even if you plan to discard most of them. Once you get the diary activated, if you oust your prey, any of his vamps you turned into wraiths will be removed from the game when they die. You'll want a reliable source of targets to turn into wraiths every turn. I guess with a few burned vamps of your prey, a couple of your own to blood hunts and a few of your predator's there might be enough targets to get by. > > Combat [37] > 4x Amaranth > 2x Dead Hand > 6x Disarm > 10x Immortal Grapple > 5x Slam > 6x Torn Signpost > 4x Undead Strength I think you are running a lot of strikes. Especially if the plan is do more damage, Disarm. If you are planning to beat the pulp out of them, its probably an ok number. I would swap out the 4 Undead Strength for other combat cards. Maybe +1 Amaranth, +1 Disarm, +2 Fake Out. > > Master [10] > 1x Frontal Assault > 1x Haven Uncovered > 1x Jake Washington (Hunter) > 1x Potence I don't see this changing much and can probably be something more useful. > 1x Powerbase: Cape Verde > 5x Vessel Unless you really want to burn Blood Dolls (but you can rush the Blood Doll) or want protection from other player's Vessels, I don't think this deck needs the trifle advantage when running only 10 masters and can run Blood Doll instead (or mix it up). > > Reaction [9] > 5x Deflection > 4x On the Qui Vive > ------------------------------------------------------------ Its nice to see a fighty build, instead of the I let my stuff die to get counters. I hope it works out. Later, ~Rehlow

> > > Have Julius recruit the Cry Wolfs. Heads you win, tails they lose! > > julius seem hot for diary deck :D > > what about traped/zip gun/thin blood/mumify [AWERSOME!] julius/jake > with haven uncovered[as you can sacrafice many minions and maybe even > torp someone :D ? That's the deck librarian used in JOL:Quick48, more or less. It worked almost as well as you'd think. Used Tupdogs for bonus ashheap fodder. If I could find a way to shoehorn a Julius/Patrizia Cry Wolf/Khazar/ Undue Influence deck, that would be something.

[ quoted text not captured ] Heh, I'm trying it in other games, minus the Tupdogs and some of the allies, and added about 4 more Khazars and a combat package (WWS + Target Vitals). It's working better, but not great. best- chris -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

On 6 Feb, 19:13, Rehlow <newsgr...@rehlow.com> wrote: <snip> > > Its nice to see a fighty build, instead of the I let my stuff die to > get counters. I hope it works out. > > Later, > ~Rehlow Thanks a lot for the good advice! I'll try and build the deck with some of the modifications you suggest... we'll see what happens. Ciao, Emiliano

On Feb 5, 11:57 am, Jozxyqk wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I've been toying with a Khazar's deck for a couple of months now, which is based on exactly the same concept as Ben's (and coincidentally baptized with the same name!). The main differences between both decks are: 1) I'm using group 4/5 vampires - although groups 2/3 are obviously better. I did this just because I wanted to play for a while with the new vamps and get to know them. I planned to switch to 2/3 if I ever thought the deck would be tournament viable, so I could reliably use Deflections - and Ben's tournament win confirmed this is the way to go (thanks, Ben!). 2) I used Shroudsights. First, because I thought I had few Khazar's to begin with (I started with 8). Second, because I thought they were a good idea (and they actually helped me on occasion). But reading people's comments and decklists I realized I should probably just ditch them. 3) Ben's deck adds support to the ally block angle. I was also planning to do that if I ever took the deck to a competitive environment, but I was not sure about what to take out. Now I know. I have had good success with this deck. It's has won most of the tables I have played and looks dominating while doing so. On other occasions, though, it dies horribly to simple things such as a Raven Spy and/or an intercept location - as others have already pointed out. Here is the current decklist. Deck Name : Dear Diary Author : Clément Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 5 average: 3.42 ------------------------------------------------------------ 2x Thomasso Ghiberti 4 NEC pot Giovanni:4 2x Cristobal Ghiberti 2 nec Giovanni:4 1x Gianmaria Giovanni 5 POT dom nec obt Giovanni:5 1x Margaret Milliner 5 dom for nec pot pre Giovanni:4 1x Kay Polerno 4 dom nec pro Giovanni:5 1x Primo Giovanni 4 dom nec pot Giovanni:4 1x Almodo Giovanni 3 dom pot Giovanni:4 1x Nunzio Giovanni 3 nec pot Giovanni:4 1x Stephen Milliner 3 nec pre Giovanni:5 1x Eric Milliner 2 pot Giovanni:5 Library [70 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [11] 11x Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) Action Modifier [14] 7x Call of the Hungry Dead 1x Shroud Mastery 6x Shroudsight Action Modifier / Combat [3] 3x Breath of Thanatos Action Modifier/Reaction [7] 7x Spectral Divination Ally [16] 1x Brigitte Gebauer (Wraith) 1x Felix "Fix" Hessian (Wraith) 2x Leonardo, Mortician 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1x Scapelli, The Family "Mechanic" 8x Shambling Hordes 1x Tye Cooper 1x Vagabond Mystic Equipment [1] 1x Sargon Fragment, The Master [18] 3x Acquired Ventrue Assets 1x Barrens, The 3x Blood Doll 1x Creepshow Casino 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Morgue Hunting Ground 2x Path of Bone, The 5x Vessel Abraço, Luiz Mello

On Feb 7, 9:29 am, "Clément" <lcmello.lis...@terra.com.br> wrote: > > I've been toying with a Khazar's deck for a couple of months now, > which is based on exactly the same concept as Ben's (and > coincidentally baptized with the same name!). The main differences > between both decks are: > > 1) I'm using group 4/5 vampires - although groups 2/3 are obviously > better. I did this just because I wanted to play for a while with the > new vamps and get to know them. I planned to switch to 2/3 if I ever > thought the deck would be tournament viable I did the same thing. My initial version was with the new kids in 4/5. Then the tournament came and I switched to 2/3 since it was just plain better for nec/dom. > 2) I used Shroudsights. Yeah, the play a card-to-get-back-a-card cards never make much sense to me in a game with no card limits. Sudario is pretty hot though. > > 3) Ben's deck adds support to the ally block angle. Really important both for defense and to get your allies burned. > I have had good success with this deck. It's has won most of the > tables I have played and looks dominating while doing so. On other > occasions, though, it dies horribly to simple things such as a Raven > Spy and/or an intercept location - as others have already pointed out. > Round 2 at NERQ my prey was weenie animalism (played by Scott Gomes). I got Unmasking up early enough to hold him to 1 Raven Spy. But he was crushing me. I had no predator pressure. So I was able to hang in long enough to get Khazar's off -- in part by burning my own torporized vamps. In the endgame, we both ran out of library, at which point my Khazar's deck was much stronger. -Ben Swainbank

On Feb 7, 2:32 pm, Ben Swainbank wrote: > On Feb 7, 9:29 am, "Clément" wrote: > > > > 2) I used Shroudsights. > > Yeah, the play a card-to-get-back-a-card cards never make much sense > to me in a game with no card limits. Shroudsight is kind of interesting at NEC, that allows you to choose which card played during the action you will get back. But, then again, it's all about how fast you get the 7 counters on the Diary. I now realize I might be better off playing more Diaries, or stealth. > Sudario is pretty hot though. I'm not very comfortable with Sudario's randomness, but I definitely should give it a try as I keep hearing how good it is. > > 3) Ben's deck adds support to the ally block angle. > > Really important both for defense and to get your allies burned. More often than not, my allies are there to be discarded and come back as wraiths. I recruit only those that might be helpful or necessary according to the situation - Leonardo for bloating, Hordes for backrushing/blocking, Tye Cooper for tyecooperness etc. But yeah, The Unmasking is too hot not to be there. The main reason is that I own only one and it's in another deck, but I will pack it if I play in a tournament (where more reliable defense will be badly needed). Same for Carlton. Thanks for the comments and congrats on the win. Abraço, Luiz Mello

Just to be sure : if a Unique vampire already controlled is influenced by the same methuselah and burns, does that trigger the Khazar's Diary ? Same question with recruiting a Unique ally you already control. [ quoted text not captured ]

Orpheus wrote: > Just to be sure : if a Unique vampire already controlled is influenced by > the same methuselah and burns, does that trigger the Khazar's Diary ? Judging from the Sonja blue contesting rulings, I'd say the incoming vampire never actually makes it into play, and so wouldn't give Khazar's a counter. > Same question with recruiting a Unique ally you already control. That's cheating. Unless there's some way to 'accidentally' recruit a unique ally you already control....? -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem wrote: > Orpheus wrote: >> Just to be sure : if a Unique vampire already controlled is influenced by >> the same methuselah and burns, does that trigger the Khazar's Diary ? > > Judging from the Sonja blue contesting rulings, I'd say the incoming > vampire never actually makes it into play, and so wouldn't give Khazar's > a counter. Correct. >> Same question with recruiting a Unique ally you already control. > > That's cheating. > > Unless there's some way to 'accidentally' recruit a unique ally you > already control....? Correct.

On 5 fév, 14:38, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote: > I read somewhere here that there were a few succesful KD decks around. Could > anyone show me decklists ? And by succesful, I mean something actually as > good as a straightforward bleed deck, even if it requires more setup... > > Thanks. > -- > Orpheus, unofficial Shemti model. Read VEKN France ^^ Arthur