TOM: Qs: DS

Can a Ghoul Retainer use a weapon of his employer if he is employed by a minion who is blocking a vampire with a Spiritual Protector? Sensory Deprivation is listed as an undirected action. Shouldn't it be a (D) action? The inferior version of Shepherd's Innocence is arguably a (D) action as well, is this right? Same for the inferior (only) version of The Trick of the Danya (I think this question has been asked before - sorry if I missed the answer). -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

refp...@best.com wrote: : L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) wrote: : : > The inferior version of Shepherd's Innocence is arguably a (D) action : > as well, is this right? : : If it is a D action then you cannot use it on yourself. : As it stands you could use it to move a retainer from one : of your minions to another one. Why could it not be used on self? There are other examples of cards which allow a (D) action which can be used on onesself - Arson and Sacrificial Lamb are the first two which come to mind, although I know there are others... Shane H.W. Travis | Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the tra...@duke.usask.ca | choice between changing one's mind and proving Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | that there is no need to do so, almost everybody | gets busy on the proof.

refp...@best.com writes: >> The inferior version of Shepherd's Innocence is arguably a (D) action >> as well, is this right? >> >> >> L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and >> http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. >> Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >If it is a D action then you cannot use it on yourself. >As it stands you could use it to move a retainer from one >of your minions to another one. True. Just like Rampage could be used to burn a location you control. Rampage gets a (D) because it's typical use is directed at another Methuselah. This should as well, for the same reason. This should, actually, be directed when directed at another methuselah and not when not, like the Commit Diablerie action, but the Rules Team says such actions do not exist (in other words, there is no Commit Diablerie Action). So, as long as we get the power-granting (D) symbol, we'll have these sorts of problems. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Why could it not be used on self? There are other examples of cards > which allow a (D) action which can be used on onesself - Arson and > Sacrificial Lamb are the first two which come to mind, although I know > there are others... > > Shane H.W. Travis | Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the > tra...@duke.usask.ca | choice between changing one's mind and proving > Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | that there is no need to do so, almost everybody > | gets busy on the proof. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I saw a post by Sir Tom that said D actions are only to be used on another and was refering to that. The theory being (as I see it) that only the attacked Methulsah can block a D action (with a few exceptions, ie: Eagle sight and Annekke) but a non D action can be blocked by your Prey and Predator. Sacrificial Lamb is not a D action at the inferior level, which is on yourself. As to Arson there is nothing I've seen to indicate you are allowed to play it on yourself. I think the card you meant was Rampage. Personally I would love to see the reason you would use this card for it and why they thought to give you that +1 stealth for burning a location you control. How often do you use that option?<g> REF

In article <4ck37h$k...@tribune.usask.ca>, Shane Travis <tra...@duke.usask.ca> wrote: >Why could it not be used on self? There are other examples of cards >which allow a (D) action which can be used on onesself - Arson and >Sacrificial Lamb are the first two which come to mind, although I know >there are others... Rampage is the funniest of these, and furhter evidence of the (D) symbol inconsistancies. It is at +1 Stealth when directed at your own locations, but a reflexive (D) action is unblockable anyway. I myself can't believe that they were thinking of Eagle's Sight only when they made the card... gnfnrf >

L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote: >Can a Ghoul Retainer use a weapon of his employer if he is employed by a >minion who is blocking a vampire with a Spiritual Protector? Yes. >Sensory Deprivation is listed as an undirected action. >Shouldn't it be a (D) action? >The inferior version of Shepherd's Innocence is arguably a (D) action >as well, is this right? >Same for the inferior (only) version of The Trick of the Danya (I think >this question has been asked before - sorry if I missed the answer). All of those should be directed, yes. (sigh) Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Shane Travis <tra...@duke.usask.ca> wrote: >Why could it not be used on self? There are other examples of cards >which allow a (D) action which can be used on onesself - Arson and >Sacrificial Lamb are the first two which come to mind, although I know >there are others... You can't use Arson on your own locations, as it's directed. Basic Sacrificial Lamb can only be played on yourself. I think I said before that you can use the superior version on yourself, but if so, that was probably me falling into a mindtrap; I'll have to think again on whether the wording accidentally breaks the rules for D-actions or not. [ quoted text not captured ]

eisi...@galaxy.ee.rochester.edu (Alan Eisinger) wrote: >In article <4ck37h$k...@tribune.usask.ca>, >Shane Travis <tra...@duke.usask.ca> wrote: >>Why could it not be used on self? There are other examples of cards >>which allow a (D) action which can be used on onesself - Arson and >>Sacrificial Lamb are the first two which come to mind, although I know >>there are others... > >Rampage is the funniest of these, and furhter evidence of the (D) symbol >inconsistancies. It is at +1 Stealth when directed at your own locations, >but a reflexive (D) action is unblockable anyway. I myself can't believe >that they were thinking of Eagle's Sight only when they made the card... Peace Alan, We play Rampage as a non-directed +1 stealth action when used on one of your own locations. That's what it looks like the card meant to say and was just phrased poorly. Nil carborundum illigitimi, James R. McClure Jr. The OS/2 Apostle <insert disclaimer here>