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jes...@uic.edu wrote: > 1. Can you use the same stealth/intercept card on the same action? > > example-- player A is bleeding, player B blocks... player A plays Lost > in Crowds, player B plays Spirit's Touch, player A plays another Lost in > Crowds. VtES Rulebook: 3.2.2 Minion Cards ... Action modifier cards: ... Important rule: A minion cannot use two identical action modifier cards to affect the same action. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

LSJ wrote: > jes...@uic.edu wrote: > > 1. Can you use the same stealth/intercept card on the same action? > > > > example-- player A is bleeding, player B blocks... player A plays > Lost > > in Crowds, player B plays Spirit's Touch, player A plays another > Lost in > > Crowds. > > VtES Rulebook: > > 3.2.2 Minion Cards > ... > Action modifier cards: ... > Important rule: A minion cannot use two identical action modifier > cards to > affect the same action. > Caveat : this means exactly what it says; note that the question andthe answer use two seperate terms. The question is : Can _Player_ A use the same Modifier twice. The answer comes back, the _Minion_ can only use the same modifier once... Two seperate minions can play superior Cloak the Gathering (IIRC) since that card may be played by a non-acting minion. Normally, only the acting minion can play action modifiers for stealth. So, no; Minion Zebulon cannot use two Lost in Crowds. But Zebulon could use inferior Cloak the Gathering and then Gilbert Dwane could use superior Cloak the Gathering for additional stealth. Finally, the same minion cannot use the same card at different levels; Gilbert cannot use Lost in crowds (inferior) and then Lost in Crowds (superior). That violates the duplicate action modifier terms. Just a few clarifications for a brief post.Alan (aj) not an expert, but experienced... [ quoted text not captured ]

Alan Flesch wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > > > jes...@uic.edu wrote: > > > 1. Can you use the same stealth/intercept card on the same action? > > > > > > example-- player A is bleeding, player B blocks... player A plays > > Lost > > > in Crowds, player B plays Spirit's Touch, player A plays another > > Lost in > > > Crowds. > > > > VtES Rulebook: > > > > 3.2.2 Minion Cards > > ... > > Action modifier cards: ... > > Important rule: A minion cannot use two identical action modifier > > cards to > > affect the same action. > > > > Caveat : this means exactly what it says; note that the question andthe > answer use two seperate terms. The question is : Can _Player_ > A use the same Modifier twice. The answer comes back, the > _Minion_ can only use the same modifier once... OK. But players don't bleed and players don't block. And the slant in the statement "plays another LiC" leads to the fact that the poster was using "player" to mean "minion". > Two seperate minions can play superior Cloak the Gathering > (IIRC) since that card may be played by a non-acting minion. > Normally, only the acting minion can play action modifiers > for stealth. Correct. Normally, only the acting minion can play action modifiers at all, stealth or otherwise. Explicit card text is required for non-acting minions to play action modifiers. > So, no; Minion Zebulon cannot use two Lost in Crowds. But > Zebulon could use inferior Cloak the Gathering and then > Gilbert Dwane could use superior Cloak the Gathering for > additional stealth. Correct. > Finally, the same minion cannot use the same card at different > levels; Gilbert cannot use Lost in crowds (inferior) and then > Lost in Crowds (superior). That violates the duplicate > action modifier terms. Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, LSJ wrote: > Alan Flesch wrote: > > > > LSJ wrote: > > > > > jes...@uic.edu wrote: > > > > 1. Can you use the same stealth/intercept card on the same action? > > > > > > Two seperate minions can play superior Cloak the Gathering > > (IIRC) since that card may be played by a non-acting minion. > > Normally, only the acting minion can play action modifiers > > for stealth. > > Correct. > > > So, no; Minion Zebulon cannot use two Lost in Crowds. But > > Zebulon could use inferior Cloak the Gathering and then > > Gilbert Dwane could use superior Cloak the Gathering for > > additional stealth. > > Correct. > Note the original question, and consider your remarks. If you also consider Mask1K, you'll probably conclude that the answer to the original question is yes for the stealth matter, and if you also consider Elder Impersonation, you'll have an affirmative answer to the reaction cards. This meaning: If yo increase stealth with eg. LiC, find yourself blocked and Mask to another vampire, you *may* use another LiC since it's no longer the same vampire: the same rules as for CtG. For intercept, if you block with Enhanced Senses but are prevented from blocking with Elder Impersonation, you may play anther ES on another minion. I hope I'm right... David Pontes 8[

David Pontes wrote: > On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, LSJ wrote: > > Alan Flesch wrote: > > > LSJ wrote: > > > > jes...@uic.edu wrote: > > > > > 1. Can you use the same stealth/intercept card on the same action? > > Note the original question, and consider your remarks. As noted in my remarks, the original question was phrased in the context of an example using incorrect or imprecise terminology. > If you also > consider Mask1K, you'll probably conclude that the answer to the original > question is yes for the stealth matter, and if you also consider Elder > Impersonation, you'll have an affirmative answer to the reaction cards. The whole answer, which I stated in the original answer post, is still: A minion cannot use two identical action modifier cards to affect the same action. And the corresponding rule applies for reaction cards, as well. These rules only restrict the minions, not all of the player's minions as a group. More than one of your minions can play the same action modifier or reaction card, subject to the rules. > This meaning: If yo increase stealth with eg. LiC, find yourself > blocked and Mask to another vampire, you *may* use another LiC since it's > no longer the same vampire: the same rules as for CtG. Yes, a Masking minion can play the same action modifier that the original acting minion played. > For intercept, if you block with Enhanced Senses but are prevented > from blocking with Elder Impersonation, you may play anther ES on another > minion. Yes, different minions can play the same reaction card on the same action. The canonical example of this is Telepathic Counter. [ quoted text not captured ]

> This meaning: If yo increase stealth with eg. LiC, find yourself > blocked and Mask to another vampire, you *may* use another LiC since it's > no longer the same vampire: the same rules as for CtG. > For intercept, if you block with Enhanced Senses but are prevented > from blocking with Elder Impersonation, you may play anther ES on another > minion. > True, but Elder Impersonation has nothing to do with it. If say, you attempt to block with Didi Meyers, and she uses Enhanced Senses for +1 intercept, and the acting minion gains additional stealth, you may then attempt to block with Gilbert Duane and play Enhanced Senses for +2 intercept. There is no restriction against attempting to block with more than one minion. -Chris -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet