Question about Revealing cards (LSJ)

In the V:EKN Tournament Rules 2000-2001 Tournament Season we can read : >4.4. Card Elevation and Disposition >Players must keep their cards above the level of the playing surface. >Revealing cards in your hand or uncontrolled area to an opponent is >not allowed. Can a player reveal the vampire in his uncontrolled area to all the opponent ? You will maybe question why i want to do that. This is : Player A and Player B, discover soon after the start of the game that they play the same clan. This can lead to the contesting of card and the 2 players dont want it. Player A said to all players he will use vampire X-Y and Z Player B said to all players he will use vampire H-I and J Can they do that ? -- Khaleph Alendis, High Priest of Maizerets VEKN Setite Prince of Beauport http://cdd.citeweb.net/khaleph/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Khaleph Alendis <kha...@hotmail.com> wrote: > In the V:EKN Tournament Rules 2000-2001 Tournament Season we > can read : > > >4.4. Card Elevation and Disposition > >Players must keep their cards above the level of the playing surface. > >Revealing cards in your hand or uncontrolled area to an opponent is > >not allowed. > > Can a player reveal the vampire in his uncontrolled area to all the > opponent ? ? No, by relatively clear wording of the cited rule. > You will maybe question why i want to do that. This is : > > Player A and Player B, discover soon after the start of the game that > they play the same clan. This can lead to the contesting of card and > the 2 players dont want it. > > Player A said to all players he will use vampire X-Y and Z > Player B said to all players he will use vampire H-I and J > > Can they do that ? Sure. Table talk is allowed (and expected/encouraged, in general). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Player A and Player B, discover soon after the start of the game that > > they play the same clan. This can lead to the contesting of card and > > the 2 players dont want it. > > > > Player A said to all players he will use vampire X-Y and Z > > Player B said to all players he will use vampire H-I and J > > > > Can they do that ? > > Sure. Table talk is allowed (and expected/encouraged, in general). It seem the expression Revealing cards is not what i think. My englsh not good enoth i suppose... But to be sure i understand : «Revealing cards» is not the same that : «said to all player the card i will use» ? Yes, they dont have the proof that i have effectively the vampire i said i have before i put it in the controled region, but they know it because i've said (revealed it's identity) what vampire it is... So, if i said what card is on my controled region, it's ok, but if i take the card in my hand and move it for all player to see it, it's not ok ? -- Khaleph Alendis, High Priest of Maizerets VEKN Setite Prince of Beauport http://cdd.citeweb.net/khaleph/ [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, LSJ wrote: > > >4.4. Card Elevation and Disposition > > >Players must keep their cards above the level of the playing surface. > > >Revealing cards in your hand or uncontrolled area to an opponent is > > >not allowed. > > > > Can a player reveal the vampire in his uncontrolled area to all the > > opponent ? > > ? No, by relatively clear wording of the cited rule. I believe the confusion comes in based on the use of "an", which might suggest that I can never show it to one person. But I *could* show it to all people. A clearer rewording might be: "No card in <wherever> may ever be shown to any or all of the other players." -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "I know my ex-boyfriend lies. Oh, he does it every time. It's just his permanent disguise, yeah, yeah, but he's drop dead gorgeous."

Khaleph Alendis wrote: > > > > Player A and Player B, discover soon after the start of the game > that > > > they play the same clan. This can lead to the contesting of card > and > > > the 2 players dont want it. > > > > > > Player A said to all players he will use vampire X-Y and Z > > > Player B said to all players he will use vampire H-I and J > > > > > > Can they do that ? > > > > Sure. Table talk is allowed (and expected/encouraged, in general). > > It seem the expression Revealing cards is not what i think. My englsh > not good enoth i suppose... But to be sure i understand : > > «Revealing cards» is not the same that : > «said to all player the card i will use» ? > > Yes, they dont have the proof that i have effectively the vampire i > said i have before i put it in the controled region, but they know it > because i've said (revealed it's identity) what vampire it is... They only know it if you've been truthful, but yes. Making statements about cards is not the same as revealing cards - revealing cards here means showing the faces of the cards to others. > So, if i said what card is on my controled region, it's ok, but if i > take the card in my hand and move it for all player to see it, it's not > ok ? Right. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]