Shalmath untapping ability

Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? Shalmath Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. Seduction Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting vampire. [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or older. Iron Heart [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that requires Dominate [dom].

On 14 Juni, 14:34, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a > Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? > > Shalmath > Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to > move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he > may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. > > Seduction > Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. > [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting > vampire. > [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or > older. > > Iron Heart > [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as > it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. > [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that > requires Dominate [dom]. I would guess "no" since you have to play Iron heart as seduction is played and if you untap as you get the impulse then seduction is already played. /cheers Tomas

On Jun 14, 9:05 am, Abdul alHazred <hallonkul...@yahoo.se> wrote: > On 14 Juni, 14:34, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" > > > > > > <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a > > Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? > > > Shalmath > > Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to > > move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he > > may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. > > > Seduction > > Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. > > [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting > > vampire. > > [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or > > older. > > > Iron Heart > > [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as > > it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. > > [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that > > requires Dominate [dom]. > > I would guess "no" since you have to play Iron heart as seduction is > played and if you untap  as you get the impulse then seduction is > already played. Correct.

On Jun 14, 3:32 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > On Jun 14, 9:05 am, Abdul alHazred <hallonkul...@yahoo.se> wrote: > > > > > On 14 Juni, 14:34, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" > > > <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a > > > Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? > > > > Shalmath > > > Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to > > > move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he > > > may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. > > > > Seduction > > > Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. > > > [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting > > > vampire. > > > [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or > > > older. > > > > Iron Heart > > > [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as > > > it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. > > > [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that > > > requires Dominate [dom]. > > > I would guess "no" since you have to play Iron heart as seduction is > > played and if you untap  as you get the impulse then seduction is > > already played. > > Correct. But you can use his ability to untap and play Rewind Time when someone plays a master? Rewind Time [pre] Reduce a bleed against you by 1. [tem] Cancel an action card as it is played. That card has no effect (the acting minion is not tapped). [TEM] Cancel a non-out-of-turn master card as it is played during any other Methuselah`s master phase (usable by a ready, untapped vampire even though there is no action). That master card has no effect. No cost is paid. The Methuselah who played that card gains another master phase action. I think there was a ruling that you could play wake and Rewind Time to counter master cards?

On Jun 14, 4:53 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 14, 3:32 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 9:05 am, Abdul alHazred <hallonkul...@yahoo.se> wrote: > > > > On 14 Juni, 14:34, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" > > > > <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a > > > > Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? > > > > > Shalmath > > > > Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to > > > > move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he > > > > may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. > > > > > Seduction > > > > Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. > > > > [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting > > > > vampire. > > > > [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or > > > > older. > > > > > Iron Heart > > > > [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as > > > > it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. > > > > [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that > > > > requires Dominate [dom]. > > > > I would guess "no" since you have to play Iron heart as seduction is > > > played and if you untap  as you get the impulse then seduction is > > > already played. > > > Correct. > > But you can use his ability to untap and play Rewind Time when someone > plays a master? Nope, for the same reason. > > Rewind Time > [pre] Reduce a bleed against you by 1. > [tem] Cancel an action card as it is played. That card has no effect > (the acting minion is not tapped). > [TEM] Cancel a non-out-of-turn master card as it is played during any > other Methuselah`s master phase (usable by a ready, untapped vampire > even though there is no action). That master card has no effect. No > cost is paid. The Methuselah who played that card gains another master > phase action. > > I think there was a ruling that you could play wake and Rewind Time to > counter master cards? Can't play Wake when there's no action, since it's a reaction card. You could play Wake + Rewind Time on an action card. That's because Wakes have a special status (due to the "can play reaction cards as if untapped" part, I think). This is in the rulebook: 1.6.1.1: Some effects can cancel a card "as it is played." These effects (and effects that grant the ability to play them, like Forced Awakening) are the only effects allowed during the "as played" time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards comes after this time period.

On Jun 14, 4:53 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 14, 3:32 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 14, 9:05 am, Abdul alHazred <hallonkul...@yahoo.se> wrote: > > > > On 14 Juni, 14:34, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt" > > > > <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Can Shalmath use his untap ability and Iron heart in response to a > > > > Seduction being played, and cancel the seduction? > > > > > Shalmath > > > > Independent: Shalmath may search your library for an action card to > > > > move to your research area as a +1 stealth action. Once each turn, he > > > > may untap. He cannot play cards that require Celerity. Scarce. > > > > > Seduction > > > > Only usable when the acting vampire`s action is announced. > > > > [dom] Choose a younger vampire. He or she cannot block this acting > > > > vampire. > > > > [DOM] As above, but the affected vampire can be the same age or > > > > older. > > > > > Iron Heart > > > > [pot][pre] Cancel an action modifier that requires Presence [pre] as > > > > it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. > > > > [POT][PRE] As [pot][pre] above, but cancel an action modifier that > > > > requires Dominate [dom]. > > > > I would guess "no" since you have to play Iron heart as seduction is > > > played and if you untap  as you get the impulse then seduction is > > > already played. > > > Correct. > > But you can use his ability to untap and play Rewind Time when someone > plays a master? > > Rewind Time > [pre] Reduce a bleed against you by 1. > [tem] Cancel an action card as it is played. That card has no effect > (the acting minion is not tapped). > [TEM] Cancel a non-out-of-turn master card as it is played during any > other Methuselah`s master phase (usable by a ready, untapped vampire > even though there is no action). That master card has no effect. No > cost is paid. The Methuselah who played that card gains another master > phase action. > > I think there was a ruling that you could play wake and Rewind Time to > counter master cards? If you plan to play Rewind time just untap with Shalmath during others player untap, do not wait for master phase. That's all you need.