Alternative Seating Chart for 6, 7 and 11

3.1.2 Added an alternative for seating 6, 7, or 11 players. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRulesNew.html Here we go (where players play in 2 rounds and maybe finals): For 6 players: Round 1 = 1,2,3,4 Round 2 = 4,3,5,6 Round 3 = 6,5,2,1 Finals For 7 players: Round 1 = 1,2,3,4,5 Round 2 = 5,4,6,7 Round 3 = 7,6,3,2,1 Finals For 11 players: Round 1 = 1,2,3,4 and 5,6,7,8,9 Round 2 = 11,10,6,1 and 8,3,2,5 Round 3 = 4,9,7,10,11 Finals I'm sure the table orders could be tweaked to fit so there were less prey-predator relationships turning into predator-prey relationships in subsequent rounds, but at least the influences work out pretty nicely. There's not a whole lot you can do with 11 players. You've got 22 games which means tables of 5,5,4,4,4 and five tables doesn't go into three rounds evenly. I don't have time this morning to tackle how many rounds that would be necessary for everyone to play in 3 games before finals. It could take as many as 5 rounds in my estimation and I tend to think that's excessive before a finals. You could end up having someone play the first three rounds then sit out for 2 rounds (FOUR HOURS) and have to return for the finals. Perhaps for 6,7,11 it's just best to only do two rounds and finals (since three rounds are necessary just for prelims with this optional method. Jeff

Jeff Kuta wrote: > > 3.1.2 Added an alternative for seating 6, 7, or 11 players. > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRulesNew.html > > Here we go (where players play in 2 rounds and maybe finals): Thanks for tackling this, Jeff. We (in the person of David Tatu, actually) have worked out some charts already (leading up to the inclusion of the rule in the V:EKN rules). The charts that are going into the next Archon are listed below. They improve upon, as you noted would be possible, the adjacency repetition found in your charts. If anyone can point out shortcomings in the Archon arrangements that are remedied by some other arrangement, I'll be happy to alter the Archon accordingly. > For 6 players: > Round 1 = 1,2,3,4 > Round 2 = 4,3,5,6 > Round 3 = 6,5,2,1 > Finals Archon 6 players: 1 2 3 4 5 1 6 2 6 4 5 3 > For 7 players: > Round 1 = 1,2,3,4,5 > Round 2 = 5,4,6,7 > Round 3 = 7,6,3,2,1 Archon: 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 7 2 5 7 4 6 3 > For 11 players: > Round 1 = 1,2,3,4 and 5,6,7,8,9 > Round 2 = 11,10,6,1 and 8,3,2,5 > Round 3 = 4,9,7,10,11 Archon: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 7 9 11 8 10 2 10 1 11 5 3 4 6 -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> 3.1.2 Added an alternative for seating 6, 7, or 11 players. >> http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRulesNew.html >> >> Here we go (where players play in 2 rounds and maybe finals): > >Thanks for tackling this, Jeff. We (in the person of David Tatu, >actually) have worked out some charts already (leading up to >the inclusion of the rule in the V:EKN rules). I must admit that I like this new addition. Now that it happens too often, but there have been awkward times at a tournament where we end up with 6 or 7 people and end up playing it unsanctioned (since we can't get the number to work out right). Thanks! =) Halcyan 2

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D64F661...@white-wolf.com>... > Jeff Kuta wrote: > > > > 3.1.2 Added an alternative for seating 6, 7, or 11 players. > > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRulesNew.html I also put some charts together in case you wanted to run an event where all players participated in three games. The 7 player tournament is probably not workable with 3 games per player due to time constraints. If anyone ever ran an event like this, consider keeping the players on a close leash after they've been ousted. You can easily start the next if all players required were either present and/or ousted from the previous round. 6 players, 3 games per player Round 1: 1,2,3,4 Round 2: 4,3,2,5,6 Round 3: 5,3,6,2,1 Round 4: 6,1,5,4 Finals 7 players, 3 games per player This one is very tricky since it cannot be done in 4 rounds. You would need to accomodate 21 player seatings. This is most easily done in tables of 4,4,4,4,5. However, you can't ever have two tables going simultaneously since there are only 7 people attending the event! Round 1: 1,2,3,4 Round 2: 4,3,5,6 Round 3: 6,7,4,2 Round 4: 2,5,7,6,1 Round 5: 3,1,7,5 Finals 11 players, 3 games per player Round 1: 1,2,3,4 and 5,6,7,8 Round 2: 11,10,2,1 and 4,3,5,9 Round 3: 8,1,7,2 and 6,10,9,11 Round 4: 3,9,4,10 and 7,11,8,6,5 Finals Jeff (who really should be working)

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D64F661...@white-wolf.com>... 11 players > Archon: > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > 7 9 11 8 10 > 2 10 1 11 5 3 4 6 table B third round is bad. 3 players on the table who have played on the same table in a previous round, two of whom are same pred/prey. could switch 3 and 4, or maybe better to swap 4 off that table entirely. preferably with 10 or 11. not sure how swapping between tables would affect starting transfer equivalence, but i thought pred/prey was a stronger requirement anyway. also, my apologies if this has already been addressed in this thread. i'm working from google, and all i see is 3 posts already. salem.

salem wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D64F661...@white-wolf.com>... > 11 players > > Archon: > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > > 7 9 11 8 10 > > 2 10 1 11 5 3 4 6 > > table B third round is bad. > 3 players on the table who have played on the same table in a previous > round, two of whom are same pred/prey. > could switch 3 and 4, or maybe better to swap 4 off that table > entirely. preferably with 10 or 11. not sure how swapping between > tables would affect starting transfer equivalence, but i thought > pred/prey was a stronger requirement anyway. Swapping 4 off won't change the fact that 3 players who have played on the same table in a previous round are now playing together again. But it could help with the pred/prey (and general adjacency) repetition: 10 1 4 2 11 6 5 3 Thanks, Scott [ quoted text not captured ]