Protestation : Leonardo against the Procurer

"An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his stead" How could we not react ?! Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1 more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been wallpaperized... :-((((( Orpheus, syndicated Giovanni protester.

Orpheus a écrit : > "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his > stead" > > How could we not react ?! > > Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1 > more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan > restriction ?! Oh, and I forgot (don't own the card yet) : it's not Unique, is it ?!?!

Well...your mortician can hunt for *anyone*, which can have some interesting cross-table applications. If you only ever use him for your own minions, Procurers are probably the better deal. (They aren't unique, but they have one fewer life than he does.) cmb [ quoted text not captured ]

Leonardo, Mortician Ally Giovanni 1 pool Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Leonardo may move 1 blood from the blood bank to any ready vampire as a +1 stealth action. Procurer Ally 2 blood Ghoul with 1 life, 1 strength, 0 bleed. Procurer may move 1 blood from the blood bank to a ready vampire you control as a +2 stealth action. non unique, 1 less life, no clan restriction, only moves blood to a vampire you control, ghoul, more stealth. very similar and possibly slightly better, but not strictly better as Leo can for example be used to help other players. also, charisma or Regina make it possible to get Loe for free!

> One of the best allies ever has just been wallpaperized... :-((((( no... > Oh, and I forgot (don't own the card yet) : it's not Unique, is it ?!?! no... the big difference is that you can use leonardo to move blood to any minion. procurer does only work for yours (which dealwise is a big disadvantage in my eyes)...

[ quoted text not captured ] Nope. Your only solution is to have Leonardo rush any Procurers he sees. Leonardo has 2 life while the Procurers only have 1, so he'll be able to kill them and then corner the market. You could also ghoul Leonardo so he can rush with Thrown Gates. Procurers can't be ghouled. But seriously, you can get Leonardo for free with Sunset Strip, Charisma or Regina and in any case he never costs blood. Procurers cost 2 blood, so you'll need them to procure three times before you make any profit. Even then, it's just as good as a hunt (1 action, net gain 1 blood). Finally, Leonardo can give blood to any vampire. Procurers can only feed your own. I think there's still room for Leonardo. Matt Morgan

> Well...your mortician can hunt for *anyone*, which can have some > interesting cross-table applications. Right. Wasn't sure of that, which is why I put "near enough". It IS different, but still... If you only ever use him for > your own minions, Procurers are probably the better deal. (They aren't > unique, but they have one fewer life than he does.) > non unique, 1 less life, no clan restriction, only moves blood to a > vampire you control, ghoul, more stealth. > very similar and possibly slightly better, but not strictly better as > Leo can for example be used to help other players. Sure. But what bothers me the most is the cost IN BLOOD !! Could that be a typo ? I could understand an equivalent with one less life (Leonardo can block once and survive), ghoul instead of wraith (slight advantages to both), +1 stealth (which is HUGE) but only to your minions (which will be the case most of the time, although not always) for 1 more POOL. Not for 2 BLOOD. So, typing mistake or not ? LSJ ?? > also, charisma or Regina make it possible to get Loe for free! Leo. ;) There may be retainer equivalents, dunno at the moment. But that musn't be a factor : a card must be balanced. As there are so few allies out here not requiring pool, I think / hope it's a typo. ----------- Orpheus

Orpheus wrote: > "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his > stead" > > How could we not react ?! > > Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1 > more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan > restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been > wallpaperized... :-((((( If you need blood, how is spending two blood up front better than spending one pool? If you don't need blood, why use either? Note also that Leonardo is twice as lively. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ a écrit : > Orpheus wrote: > >> "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his >> stead" >> >> How could we not react ?! >> >> Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1 >> more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan >> restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been >> wallpaperized... :-((((( > > > If you need blood, how is spending two blood up front better than > spending one pool? If you are going to need blood, because you use a costly discipline, you can spend it now (or on another minion) and get it back quickly. See also Rutor's Hand / first action = hunt. > If you don't need blood, why use either? > > Note also that Leonardo is twice as lively. Funny to say that of a mortician... :) Orpheus

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:30:06 +0100, Orpheus <orphe...@DEADfree.fr> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] >Orpheus Leonardo can also be Ghouled to gain +1 life and the right to use Potence strikes, the Procurer can't. I thought the same as you at first, but let's be fair. Leonardo presents more options and Giovanni decks can use the *two* to better effect. Other clans can't. best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor ----------------------------------------------------- V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now) http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/