Taste of Vitae questions

Vampire A and B are in combat. A's strike does enough damage to send B to torpor. Can A play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood lost by B to the strike? Vampires C and D are in combat. Vampire C plays Weather Control, then one or both vampires play Combat Ends as a strike. Can either, both or neither play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood their opponent lost to Weather Control? Just to confirm: Taste of Vitae would not allow a vampire to gain the blood the opposing minion lost to Thin Blood or Blood to Water, correct?

In article <75bdf7ed.01061...@posting.google.com>, Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Vampire A and B are in combat. A's strike does enough damage to send B >to torpor. Can A play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood lost by B to >the strike? Card text from http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_T.html#Taste_of_Vitae: "Only usable after strike resolution. This vampire gains an amount of blood equal to the amount lost by the opposing vampire to damage during this round of combat. Not usable by a vampire going into torpor. Blood loss counted by a previous Taste of Vitae is not counted again." Nothing there prohibits playing ToV, so it is playable. >Vampires C and D are in combat. Vampire C plays Weather Control, then >one or both vampires play Combat Ends as a strike. Can either, both or >neither play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood their opponent lost to >Weather Control? Online rulebook sections available at: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_4_3 and http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_4_5 support this interpretation. You play ToV during strike resolution, and strikes (to end combat) are resolving. >Just to confirm: Taste of Vitae would not allow a vampire to gain the >blood the opposing minion lost to Thin Blood or Blood to Water, >correct? Neither of those cards inflict damage, so ToV would not count blood lost to either of those effects, correct. gomi -- Yes, I believe but I'd rather not pray What I believe in I'd rather not say, baby

Gomi no Sensei wrote: > > In article <75bdf7ed.01061...@posting.google.com>, > Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Vampire A and B are in combat. A's strike does enough damage to send B > >to torpor. Can A play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood lost by B to > >the strike? > > Card text from http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_T.html#Taste_of_Vitae: > > "Only usable after strike resolution. This vampire gains an amount of blood > equal to the amount lost by the opposing vampire to damage during this round > of combat. Not usable by a vampire going into torpor. Blood loss counted by a > previous Taste of Vitae is not counted again." > > Nothing there prohibits playing ToV, so it is playable. Correct. > >Vampires C and D are in combat. Vampire C plays Weather Control, then > >one or both vampires play Combat Ends as a strike. Can either, both or > >neither play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood their opponent lost to > >Weather Control? > > Online rulebook sections available at: > > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_4_3 > > and > > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_4_5 > > support this interpretation. You play ToV during strike resolution, and > strikes (to end combat) are resolving. No. As per the text you quote, ToV is played after, rather than during, strike resolution. Since after strike resolution is, in this case, after combat ends, ToV cannot be played, as it is a combat card. > >Just to confirm: Taste of Vitae would not allow a vampire to gain the > >blood the opposing minion lost to Thin Blood or Blood to Water, > >correct? > > Neither of those cards inflict damage, so ToV would not count blood lost > to either of those effects, correct. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3B26C514...@white-wolf.com>... > Gomi no Sensei wrote: > > In article <75bdf7ed.01061...@posting.google.com>, > > Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Vampire A and B are in combat. A's strike does enough damage to send B > > >to torpor. Can A play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood lost by B to > > >the strike? > > Nothing there prohibits playing ToV, so it is playable. > Correct. > > > >Vampires C and D are in combat. Vampire C plays Weather Control, then > > >one or both vampires play Combat Ends as a strike. Can either, both or > > >neither play Taste of Vitae to gain the blood their opponent lost to > > >Weather Control? > ToV is played after, rather than during, > strike resolution. Since after strike resolution is, in this case, > after combat ends, ToV cannot be played, as it is a combat card. See, this is where I get confused. Combat normally ends the moment a vamp goes to torpor, right? Why can you play ToV when combat's ending due to a vamp going to torpor from a strike, but not when combat ends due to a combat ends strike? What am I missing? Thanks for your help.

[ quoted text not captured ] Nothing. You're just more observant than most. The ruling allows ToV to operate the intuitive way, even though that skirts along the outside of the rules. Nice detective work, BTW. I'm pretty sure no one's brought this up before. Although perhaps Mr. Buonocore remembers me mentioning the existence of the problem a few years ago... If it bothers us enough, we may errata the card to say "after strike resolution or during the strike resolution step if the opposing minion is no longer ready", but since everyone's been playing the card "correctly" without that convoluted change, it seems OK to leave it as it is for now. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > > See, this is where I get confused. Combat normally ends the moment a > > vamp goes to torpor, right? Why can you play ToV when combat's ending > > due to a vamp going to torpor from a strike, but not when combat ends > > due to a combat ends strike? What am I missing? > > Nothing. You're just more observant than most. The ruling allows ToV to > operate > the intuitive way, even though that skirts along the outside of the rules. <snip> > If it bothers us enough, we may errata the card to say "after strike >resolution > or during the strike resolution step if the opposing minion is no longer >ready", but > since everyone's been playing the card "correctly" without that convoluted >change, > it seems OK to leave it as it is for now. Ummm...but there's this ruling: Combat effects played at the end of a round/combat can be played when the round ends via S:CE or similar. [RTR 20001020] that seems to support the use of playing a Taste of Vitae after a S:CE. At least, i think i have used it as grounds before. So i guess not "everyone" has been playing it correctly. But i suppose i am wrong, and we'll have to continue to skirt along the outside of the rules. O:) salem. More discussions of corner cases! It thinks makes us.

In message <a36647e2.01061...@posting.google.com>, salem christ <salem_...@my-deja.com> writes >Combat effects played at the end of a round/combat can be played when >the round ends via S:CE or similar. [RTR 20001020] Taste of Vitae isn't played at the end of a round or combat. It's played after strike resolution. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D "You reinstall Dial-Up Networking. The Elf screams and becomes EBD690ECD7A1F an icon. *** CONGRATULATIONS! *** You completed the BT Internet B457CA213D7E6 Helpdesk training course in 15 out of a possible 9000 moves." 68C3695D623D5D