a much needed one...
Blooding by the code
Master put this card on a !salubri you control. this !salubri gains 1
level of val and +1 strenght and 1capacity. only 1 BbtC
cost is 1 pool
trying to make !salubri playbles???
;-)
Andrea
Beautiful card... All I wished for since I decided to play !Salubri
last January... Must have to any !Salubri clan... specially if it's
group 2 (who knows what is coming in G4...)
Fabio Ciccone, Giovanni with sup Valeren
<RavATw...@vampirethemasquerade.com> wrote in message
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> Cool! A very good card and it's 'not-unique'.
>
...and common! Excellent...
Is BbtC playable on a vampire with superior Valeren? My Scotty-Sense is
telling me No, (but wouldn't it be nice to have that +1 strength and +1
capacity on my copy of Jeff Tho...err, Adonai?)
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
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I can't see why not, in the same way that counters from the Seal of
Vedartha give levels of dominate to vampires with DOM you just ignore
the disciplin aspect of the card.
-Ant
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There is a (mild) difference between counters on the Seal which in turn
provide a discpline, and giving a discipline directly to the vampire itself.
There's a (deliberate?) difference in wording, too:
Seal, Hand, Fragment, Skin Mask: "...gains superior (discipline)"
BbtC: "...gains one level of Valeren"
[LSJ 20011227]* defines the levels of disciplines as 0 (none), 1 (normal),
and 2 (superior). The lack of any metnion of "3" makes me conclude that you
cannot directly (intentionally) raise a discipline above Superior (2).
The wording on BbtC more closely approximates that of a Master: Discipline
card than it does the Seal, so thats where I drew my conclusion from...
Maybe I'm wrong (I hope so!)... *shrug*
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
From the ERC page:
* [LSJ 20011227] The Master: Discipline card increases the vampire's level
of the Discipline by 1 while it is on the vampire. Discipline levels: 0
(none), 1 (normal), and 2 (superior).
David Zopf wrote:
> > I can't see why not, in the same way that counters from the Seal of
> > Vedartha give levels of dominate to vampires with DOM you just ignore
> > the disciplin aspect of the card.
> >
> There is a (mild) difference between counters on the Seal which in turn
> provide a discpline, and giving a discipline directly to the vampire itself.
> There's a (deliberate?) difference in wording, too:
>
> Seal, Hand, Fragment, Skin Mask: "...gains superior (discipline)"
Equipment like the skin mask, sargon frag etc have the text "the vamp
with this equipment has superior OBF"
And the text on the seal is, "The first two counters each grant this
vampire one level of Dominate [dom]"
And the text from this new card is " This Salubri antitribi gains one
level of val"
It seems to me that it is the same mechanic as the seal, and not the
same as the other disciplin giving equipment. There is a difference
true, and admittedly 'grant' does imply that its on an if needed basis,
but my scott-sense is telling me it will be fine :O) ...or at least im
optomisticly hoping that to be the case.
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Why do the card have the ": the salubri antitribu is one generation
older"? isnt this redundant? if the capacity increases by 1 the
generetion MUST increase...
I'm curious as to why the designers felt this bit of text was necesary
"the vampire is one generation older". And right after the card states
the vampire gains one capacity.
Seems redundant, and generation is not a useful indicator in vtes iirc.
Don't have my eldb with me so can't check if that term has been used
on a card before. I don't believe it has.
G
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Unlike Master: Discipline cards (and look, it's not a Discipline
master!), Blooding By The Code has no text restricting it from being
played on a vampire with the relevant superior discipline.
If it wasn't playable on a vampire with [VAL], it would presumably say
so, just as the Auspex master card says that it can't be placed on a
vampire with [AUS] (for instance.)
> DaveZ
> Atom Weaver
-John Flournoy
Great card. Not unique, common, very playable and very useful!
But (because things can always improve) it shouldn't have a cost to
meet other master discipline cards. The limitation would be that these
card can only be played in a !Salubri....
I start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for this set....
.- Luis Duarte
"Luis Duarte - Powerbase:Lisbon" <luis....@netcabo.pt> a écrit dans le
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it give +1 strenght, which is very usefull, and just for it, I don't think
that 1 pool is too expensive
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Celerity
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, Sabbat:C, SW:C/PB, FN:PA, CE:C, Anarchs:PAG, KMW:PAl]
Cardtype: Master
Capacity: +1
Master: Discipline.
Put this card on a vampire. This vampire gains one level of Celerity
[cel]. Capacity increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older.
Cannot be placed on a vampire with superior Celerity.
-Robert
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Is it referred to by any OTHER non discipline card? Younger is definied
by capacity, yes? So if its capacity changes, so does its 'age'
(younger/older) by the rules... its like printing 'this vampire may now
gain one additional blood from the blood bank than before'. Duh.
Am I right?
~SV
Screaming Vermillian wrote:
> Robert Goudie wrote:
> > talonz wrote:
> > > I'm curious as to why the designers felt this bit of text was necesary
> > > "the vampire is one generation older". And right after the card states
> > > the vampire gains one capacity.
> > >
> > > Seems redundant, and generation is not a useful indicator in vtes iirc.
> > > Don't have my eldb with me so can't check if that term has been used
> > > on a card before. I don't believe it has.
> >
> > Celerity> > Master: Discipline.
> > Put this card on a vampire. This vampire gains one level of Celerity
> > [cel]. Capacity increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older.
> > Cannot be placed on a vampire with superior Celerity.
>
> Is it referred to by any OTHER non discipline card?
Moving target defense. The point is that it has been with us since the
very beginning, on some very common cards.
And even so, although it scarcely matters, the answer to the new
arbitrarily-restrictive query is still: yes. Sanguine Instruction.
And before you ask, it is not referred to by any OTHER non-master,
non-action libary cards, nor any crypt cards. Alarming though that may
be.
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"Anthony Coleman" <Bunti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> David Zopf wrote:>> > I can't see why not, in the same way that counters from the Seal of
>> > Vedartha give levels of dominate to vampires with DOM you just ignore
>> > the disciplin aspect of the card.
>> >
>> There is a (mild) difference between counters on the Seal which in turn
>> provide a discpline, and giving a discipline directly to the vampire
>> itself.
>> There's a (deliberate?) difference in wording, too:
>>
>> Seal, Hand, Fragment, Skin Mask: "...gains superior (discipline)">
> Equipment like the skin mask, sargon frag etc have the text "the vamp
> with this equipment has superior OBF"
>
> And the text on the seal is, "The first two counters each grant this
> vampire one level of Dominate [dom]"
>
Sorry, my typo. I didn't mean to lump the Seal in with that group. My point
was that the text was sufficiently similar to the Master: Discipline cards,
and that the ruling I cited implied to me that the "gain one level of
(discipline)" effect maxxes out at 2... I guess it could go either way,
depending upon which precedent you use. (Too much Ssupreme Court
appointments media coverage is showing through in _that_ comment :-)
> And the text from this new card is " This Salubri antitribi gains one
> level of val"
>
> It seems to me that it is the same mechanic as the seal, and not the
> same as the other disciplin giving equipment. T
The question is, is there a level 3 (or higher) to disciplines? (which is
functionally equivalent to level 2)
> here is a difference
> true, and admittedly 'grant' does imply that its on an if needed basis,
> but my scott-sense is telling me it will be fine :O) ...or at least im
> optomisticly hoping that to be the case.
>
and I'm pessimistically hoping I'm wrong... Err, yeah.
DZ
AW
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... which can lead to the wild speculation that it *can* be introduced
as an attribute someday, as it has been made in the past (check ammo,
frenzy, archetype, grapple)...
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
"John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Unlike Master: Discipline cards (and look, it's not a Discipline
> master!), Blooding By The Code has no text restricting it from being
> played on a vampire with the relevant superior discipline.
>
> If it wasn't playable on a vampire with [VAL], it would presumably say
> so, just as the Auspex master card says that it can't be placed on a
> vampire with [AUS] (for instance.)
>
correct. Stop getting confused. It can be played on a minion with sup Val.
george
Anthony Coleman wrote:
> David Zopf wrote:>>Is BbtC playable on a vampire with superior Valeren? My Scotty-Sense is
>>telling me No, (but wouldn't it be nice to have that +1 strength and +1
>>capacity on my copy of Jeff Tho...err, Adonai?)
>>> I can't see why not, in the same way that counters from the Seal of
> Vedartha give levels of dominate to vampires with DOM you just ignore
> the disciplin aspect of the card.
Correct.
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Keep a little and let a little come back to me.
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In this, if I were to place Blooding the Code on Mata Hari, I assume
that the capacity increase is also specific to her Clan Impersonating
to !Salubri?
Andy
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That would depend if the gain in Cap, Strength and Valeren is due to the
fact that the card is on her or happens when you place it on here as a
kind of "permamnent ability". In the former case it doesn´t work because
after the card has been played she is still Ravnos, in the latter case
it would work but the wording seems to contradict this.
I'm also sharing everybody's enthusiasm about this card. The !Salubri
always seemed like a nifty little combat oriented clan that got short
changed. Now they have at least one additional powerful card to their
arsenal.
However, as good as this card is, it actually doesn't give the !Salubri
an extra edge or a bonus. Rather it simply corrects the two major
flaws with the !Salubri: They were a bit too small for a combat clan
on average and they did not have enough access to their primary
discipline.
So in a sense, Blooding by the Code, it's +1 strength bonus aside, is
just a card that kinda brings the !Salubri up to what should have been
their original potential. And therefore, if you put it into !Salubri
deck, you are devoting valuable card slots to what is essentially a
retroactive clan correction.
Still a good card. I'm not knocking it or the designers. It looks
like it's going to be a good set overall. We V:TeS players are lucky
that when we are offered a set we get qualtiy 99.999999% of the time.
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