James Coupe Owes me an hour!

I saw that James Coupe had posted a new toreador with a bigger, easier to find clan symbol. Not to be out done I went ahead and fixed all the problems I have with the new design. http://www.nosferatustuff.com/vtes/CE.htm White wolf, I'll run your art department, and I'm sure I'll be cheaper then all the crack the current art direct is smoking. -- Aaron The Nosferatu Stuff

[ quoted text not captured ] I like it. I mean I really like it. I especially like the ocher taskbar that replaces the green taskbar. The only problem is the "3", Sure it fits in the Ankh symbol, but numbers like it cannot be expected to fit in future expansion symbols. It should stay where it was. Jason

"Jason Jung" <jung...@hotmail.com> wrote > > The only problem is the "3", Sure it fits in the Ankh symbol, but numbers > like it cannot be expected to fit in future expansion symbols. It should > stay where it was. You know... a good place for the '3' might have been on the *back* of the card. That way, a judge in a tournament could easily just scan the crypt backs and make sure that there were no consecutive numbers. Sure, none of the old cards have numbers on them, but you can easily tell at least *some* of the Group 1 by that big 'JYHAD' :) Of course, it's too late now... and this solution probably also sucks ass in ways I haven't yet thought of. Cheers, WES

Wes wrote: > > You know... a good place for the '3' might have been on the *back* of the > card. That way, a judge in a tournament could easily just scan the crypt > backs and make sure that there were no consecutive numbers. Sure, none of > the old cards have numbers on them, but you can easily tell at least *some* > of the Group 1 by that big 'JYHAD' :) > > Of course, it's too late now... and this solution probably also sucks ass in > ways I haven't yet thought of. > Like, maybe, "marking" cards? If there's new protomalks, for example, you'd always know whether that's a CE vampire or good old Greger Anderson on the top of your crypt. Thomas

In message <ahih9j$t3k7s$1...@ID-125246.news.dfncis.de>, Nosferatu Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes: >I saw that James Coupe had posted a new toreador with a bigger, easier to >find clan symbol. >Not to be out done I went ahead and fixed all the problems I have with the >new design. > >http://www.nosferatustuff.com/vtes/CE.htm Can I still argue for the enlarged clan symbol? You still have the space to drop it down and enlarge it. (Thus meaning that long names and titles can still be included for vampires.) The ochre/brown back side-bar is *lush*, however. If I could've been arsed to scan in a card back to get the colours right, I'd've done it. But I'm a lazy sod. -- James Coupe PGP 0x5D623D5D You don't need to hear it but I'm dried up EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 and sick to death of love. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

[ quoted text not captured ] From that page: > right side...which just happens to be where all the symbols used to be. You do realize that the clan symbol "used to be" on the left, right? The only symbols that have moved from right to left are the discipline symbols. You've just traded moving them for moving the clan symbol (and the expansion set symbol). Not defending either method, just pointing out that the statement that all the symbols used to be on the right side is in error, although in this case, where the expansion set symbol look very much like one of the clan symbols, putting the expansion symbol where the clan symbol used to be is ... an interesting choice. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3D3D43AC...@white-wolf.com... > Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > > > > I saw that James Coupe had posted a new toreador with a bigger, easier to > > find clan symbol. > > Not to be out done I went ahead and fixed all the problems I have with the > > new design. > > > > http://www.nosferatustuff.com/vtes/CE.htm > > > > White wolf, I'll run your art department, and I'm sure I'll be cheaper then > > all the crack the current art direct is smoking. > > From that page: > > right side...which just happens to be where all the symbols used to be. > > You do realize that the clan symbol "used to be" on the left, right? Yeah, but I figured you might as well have all the vampire info in 1 single place. Including clan, disciplines, and capacity. Basically you could cover the whole guy with counters, and still leave all the info about him viewable. > The only symbols that have moved from right to left are the discipline > symbols. You've just traded moving them for moving the clan symbol (and > the expansion set symbol). > > Not defending either method, just pointing out that the statement that > all the symbols used to be on the right side is in error, although in > this case, where the expansion set symbol look very much like one of the > clan symbols, putting the expansion symbol where the clan symbol used > to be is ... an interesting choice. I would have made the expansion symbol small, and like james said, made the clan symbol bigger. I just didn't know how to resize them =/ In fact, after thinking about it I think I would just say drop the expansion symbol all together. Its just an unneeded bit of information. Especially now that there are grouping numbers. Besides, I HOPE the anarch set(if it has an expansion symbol) isn't the malkavian mirror, cause the catiff ankh is annoying. [ quoted text not captured ]

Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:3D3D43AC...@white-wolf.com... > > Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > > > > > > I saw that James Coupe had posted a new toreador with a bigger, easier > to > > > find clan symbol. > > > Not to be out done I went ahead and fixed all the problems I have with > the > > > new design. > > > > > > http://www.nosferatustuff.com/vtes/CE.htm > > > > > > White wolf, I'll run your art department, and I'm sure I'll be cheaper > then > > > all the crack the current art direct is smoking. > > > > From that page: > > > right side...which just happens to be where all the symbols used to be. > > > > You do realize that the clan symbol "used to be" on the left, right? > > Yeah, but I figured you might as well have all the vampire info in 1 single > place. Including clan, disciplines, and capacity. Basically you could > cover the whole guy with counters, and still leave all the info about him > viewable. Unsure what that has to do with the statement that all the symbols used to be on the right. > > The only symbols that have moved from right to left are the discipline > > symbols. You've just traded moving them for moving the clan symbol (and > > the expansion set symbol). > > > > Not defending either method, just pointing out that the statement that > > all the symbols used to be on the right side is in error, although in > > this case, where the expansion set symbol look very much like one of the > > clan symbols, putting the expansion symbol where the clan symbol used > > to be is ... an interesting choice. > > I would have made the expansion symbol small, and like james said, made the > clan symbol bigger. I just didn't know how to resize them =/ In fact, > after thinking about it I think I would just say drop the expansion symbol > all together. Its just an unneeded bit of information. Especially now that > there are grouping numbers. Again you seem to be misinformed. Expansion is not a function of group number, nor is group number a function of expansion. It is true, however, that for vampires that have no group number printed on them, the group number is a function of the existence of an expansion set symbol on the card, which also means that it is a function of expansion for that subset of vampires (although, still, the expansion cannot be determined from the thusly-assigned group number). [ quoted text not captured ]

> Again you seem to be misinformed. Expansion is not a function of group > number, nor is group number a function of expansion. It is true, however, > that for vampires that have no group number printed on them, the group > number is a function of the existence of an expansion set symbol on the > card, which also means that it is a function of expansion for that subset > of vampires (although, still, the expansion cannot be determined from the > thusly-assigned group number). > And there we have it folks, LSJ is a Malkavian. Archibald Zimonyi Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg

>In fact, >after thinking about it I think I would just say drop the expansion symbol >all together. Its just an unneeded bit of information. Especially now that >there are grouping numbers. Besides, I HOPE the anarch set(if it has an >expansion symbol) isn't the malkavian mirror, cause the catiff ankh is >annoying. Expansion symbols are extremely useful. I could never understand why a company wouldn't use them. The amount of effort to think of one can't be that hard when numerous CCGs are able to do it. There's always some dead space somewhere on a card. Etc.

In message <20020723125824...@mb-fd.aol.com>, Curevei <cur...@aol.commetal> writes: >>In fact, >>after thinking about it I think I would just say drop the expansion symbol >>all together. Its just an unneeded bit of information. Especially now that >>there are grouping numbers. Besides, I HOPE the anarch set(if it has an >>expansion symbol) isn't the malkavian mirror, cause the catiff ankh is >>annoying. > >Expansion symbols are extremely useful. I could never understand why a company >wouldn't use them. I like them too. Whilst using a Brujah-esque symbol has potential, it'd get confusing. I'd caution against it, for the same reasons I wouldn't have used the Ankh, if I was designing TCE. Something like a torn up Sabbat Seal and shattered Ankh could work, and be quite arty, and quite distinct. Maybe. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message news:20020723125824...@mb-fd.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] What do expansion symbols do exactly? maybe I dont understand their usefulness. All they do is make 5 different copies of undead strength for me to collect. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] And why do you say that? Fred

Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > > "Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message > > > Expansion symbols are extremely useful. > > What do expansion symbols do exactly? maybe I dont understand their > usefulness. All they do is make 5 different copies of undead strength for > me to collect. You could say the same thing about art on the cards. I don't think everything on the card has to have a strict game function to be useful. Expansion symbols give you some context for the card, gives you a clue if a card is a recent or old version, and gives you some history about the card. I like to group my cards by set since I remember a lot about cards by when they were printed. (Granted, the value of doing this seems to diminish a lot as more and more sets get printed since my memory for that many cards eventually melts down.) Fred

>What do expansion symbols do exactly? maybe I dont understand their >usefulness. All they do is make 5 different copies of undead strength for >me to collect. Boils down to identification and, in certain circumstances not likely to affect most people playing this game, limitations on deck construction. Similarly, BTW, a rarity indicator is highly useful. Both act as mental (and sometimes physical) filters. I've used three CCGs' deck builders. The best by far was able to sort off of set and rarity in addition to the stuff the ELDB (for instance) can sort off of as the searches could be far more precise which meant they took significantly less time. I can understand that not everyone thinks in terms of set and rarity or sorts cards thusly, but, for instance, the first thing I think of when Blood Puppy* is mentioned is "crap rare" not "crap master" or "crappy 3 pool cost card" or "crappy pool gain card" (or "crappy Jyhad/V:TES card"). * Will it become playable? Guess we find out in a couple of months.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:50:16 GMT, Frederick Scott wrote: >> And there we have it folks, LSJ is a Malkavian. > >And why do you say that? Sorry Fred, you have to be plugged into the Madness Network to understand this. Andrew

> Nosferatu Stuff wrote [ quoted text not captured ] Aaron, I like what you did with the format for the new vampire cards. It is really nice having all the disciplines right above the vampire's capacity. A good use of space, it's easy to see most of the important information, and the disciplines are on the same side as they used to be... well done. The amber bar is also a nice touch (or is it just plain ole brown?). :o) Could you create another one with the expansion set symbol to the right of the portrait? (like it used to be) I think that would make an interesting third option. LSJ made a good point when he mentioned that the clan symbols used to be on the right. No need to do anything "new" that might confuse people, right? ;o) You could also put the "3" inside the oval part of the expansion symbol. Or near the clan symbol... or maybe just above the discipline spread. If you wanted to... You said that it was too hard to resize either the clan symbol or the expansion symbol, but it would make quite a difference in the overall look. If you can figure out how to do that, I think it would really improve the card (IMHO). I assume that you played with this quite a bit, but it can't be that much harder than what you've already done. What program are you using? You may not want to spend any more time on this (and I would understand that), but if you do ever mess around with it again, I think there are people that would like to see a few more various styles... several different ones on the same page could be fairly interesting. Maybe 4 total (including White Wolf's version) ...or even more if you have several new ideas. Looking forward to seeing any changes you might make, Howard PS Do you know the link to James Coupes' card? I haven't found it yet.

In message <c0922a66.02072...@posting.google.com>, HD <hdma...@hotmail.com> writes: >You said that it was too hard to resize either the clan symbol or the >expansion symbol, but it would make quite a difference in the overall >look. If you can figure out how to do that, I think it would really >improve the card (IMHO). It's mostly trivial, with a little magic wand work in Photoshop, given that the contrast is usually quite good. >PS Do you know the link to James Coupes' card? I haven't found it >yet. I merely did a larger symbol: http://www.zephyr.org.uk/alternatejoaquin.jpg [ quoted text not captured ]