Is this Legal?

In article <3d7m58$8...@Isis.MsState.Edu>, jk...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph K Mcallister) writes: >We did this the other night, and couldn't find a reason not to do >it... > >I had a vampire who had a hawg. So I used that vampire for one >round of combat and then used the press. Then I used a vampire >with Double Obf. and used 10k faces. The other vampire (Chester >DuBois) also had double potency, and I used Lucky Blow and >Rising Fury for bunches of damage. (I think Chester also had >a sword, but I'm not sure) > >That way I used all the gear of both of the vampires, and that >doesn't seem quite right. But the card (10K faces) said at any point >in the combat (I don't have it here, so could be wrong) 10K faces >could be used. > >Another question, can Allies use gear? > > -Joel I believe they can. They can also use cards that don't require Disciplines (e.g. Dodge, Boxed In, Open Grate, Lucky Blow, etc.). They just can't heal normally(i.e. hunting), are burnt instead of going into torpor, can never diabelrize or get skill cards or anything else that requires generation. I wouldn't let them call votes, either, because they aren't part of vampire society. But this is just the way I play. It's a good question. But, it would make me sad if Tom Wylie rules that my Muddled Vampire Hunter can't grab the Senguir Dagger and do 4 agg.s First Strike to anything it wants to. :-) -:-Renfield

I'm not sure if rising fury is a strike card or not, but keep in mind you can only use 1 strike card/strike. Also I have no idea what 10k faces is...is it like mask of 1k faces? >But this is just the way I play. It's a good question. But, it would make me >sad if Tom Wylie rules that my Muddled Vampire Hunter can't grab the Senguir >Dagger and do 4 agg.s First Strike to anything it wants to. :-) The MVH does 1 strike at first strike, so if the senguir dagger normally does 1 aggravated damage, then MVH w/ dagger would do 1 aggravated damage first strike, not 4. If dagger says strike:normal hand damage is now aggravated, then ignore this part (I don't think it does though...)

In article <D15wM...@cs.dal.ca> aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Joseph William Dixon) writes: >From: aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Joseph William Dixon) >Subject: Re: Is this Legal? >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:11:05 GMT >Josh Hsu (jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: >:The MVH does 1 strike at first strike, so if the senguir dagger normally does >:1 aggravated damage, then MVH w/ dagger would do 1 aggravated damage first >:strike, not 4. If dagger says strike:normal hand damage is now aggravated, >:then ignore this part (I don't think it does though...) > *All* of Muddles' attacks are at First Strike, regardless of if he uses >a weapon or not.... "Hunter _always_ strikes with First Strike." (Card >text - emphasis mine) Yeah, all of his ONE strikes are at first strike. I don't know of any way a non-vampire can have more than one strike. Furthermore, I don't think the minion card counds as a card giving more damage which is aggravated which is the text on the dagger so it would be ONE ag. dam. with FIRST STRIKE.

In article <Daniel.B.Hoffman...@nd.edu>, Daniel Hoffman <Daniel.B....@nd.edu> wrote: > >Yeah, all of his ONE strikes are at first strike. I don't know of any way a >non-vampire can have more than one strike. Furthermore, I don't think the Well, the card would say "gets 1 additional strike." Kinda like the Renegade Garou does... :-) | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

In article <3d7m58$8...@Isis.MsState.Edu>, Joseph K Mcallister <jk...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote: >We did this the other night, and couldn't find a reason not to do >it... > >I had a vampire who had a hawg. So I used that vampire for one >round of combat and then used the press. Then I used a vampire >with Double Obf. and used 10k faces. The other vampire (Chester >DuBois) also had double potency, and I used Lucky Blow and >Rising Fury for bunches of damage. (I think Chester also had >a sword, but I'm not sure) > >That way I used all the gear of both of the vampires, and that >doesn't seem quite right. But the card (10K faces) said at any point >in the combat (I don't have it here, so could be wrong) 10K faces >could be used. Mask of 1,000 Faces is the card I think you're talking about, right? That card is an action modifier, which can't be used when you're in combat. The action is over and done by the time you get into combat (see the discussion about Cat's Guidance for more), and action mofidiers can only be used to modify an action in progress. Once you're in combat the only cards you can use are the combat cards with the little arrows on them. So your vampire in combat has to stay with it once combat starts. It's possible to use Mask right before combat, but not once you've actually started a round. > >Another question, can Allies use gear? > Any minion can equip, and allies are minions, so any ally can get a given piece of equipment and then use it, unless its use is restricted to vampires (such as Aaron's Feeding Razor). [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Daniel.B.Hoffman...@nd.edu>, Daniel.B....@nd.edu (Daniel Hoffman) writes... >In article <D15wM...@cs.dal.ca> aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Joseph William Dixon) writes: >>From: aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Joseph William Dixon) >>Subject: Re: Is this Legal? >>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:11:05 GMT > > >Yeah, all of his ONE strikes are at first strike. I don't know of any way a >non-vampire can have more than one strike. ^^^^^^^^^^ Garou i love you.. Yeep, the Garou has two strikes (and two damage) making it one nice minion card. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CCC RRR SS GGG 88 88 999 Music - Gareth Jarvis C R R S G 8 8 8 8 9 9 Program - Avi Goldberg C R R S G 88 88 999 848-7401 C R R S G GG 8 8 8 8 :: 9 CCC R R SS GGG 88 88 :: 9 CABLE FM

We did this the other night, and couldn't find a reason not to do it... I had a vampire who had a hawg. So I used that vampire for one round of combat and then used the press. Then I used a vampire with Double Obf. and used 10k faces. The other vampire (Chester DuBois) also had double potency, and I used Lucky Blow and Rising Fury for bunches of damage. (I think Chester also had a sword, but I'm not sure) That way I used all the gear of both of the vampires, and that doesn't seem quite right. But the card (10K faces) said at any point in the combat (I don't have it here, so could be wrong) 10K faces could be used. Another question, can Allies use gear? -Joel

Muddled Vampire Hunter always strikes with first strike, but doesn't otherwise "promote" the weapon he's using, if any. A Sengir Dagger would be used with first strike, but would only deal 1 aggravated damage. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

jk...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph K Mcallister) writes: >We did this the other night, and couldn't find a reason not to do >it... > >I had a vampire who had a hawg. So I used that vampire for one >round of combat and then used the press. Then I used a vampire >with Double Obf. and used 10k faces. The other vampire (Chester >DuBois) also had double potency, and I used Lucky Blow and >Rising Fury for bunches of damage. (I think Chester also had >a sword, but I'm not sure) Should work fine. Now, if that first vampire plays "Hidden Lurker" as well, you're really starting to piss the other vampire off... :-) >That way I used all the gear of both of the vampires, and that >doesn't seem quite right. But the card (10K faces) said at any point >in the combat (I don't have it here, so could be wrong) 10K faces >could be used. It's an action modifier played by another vampire than the acting minion. The rulebook doesn't say you cannot use action modifiers anytime during an action, so you probably can. >Another question, can Allies use gear? Yup, as long as you have equipped them with the equipment. This is a minion action, and allies are minions. - Tor Iver -- Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <tor...@pvv.unit.no> CS student at NTH, Trondheim, NO Info: http://www.pvv.unit.no/~toriver/ Member of The Software Workshop, UNIT "There ain't no coming back!" - T-Bone, "The Crow" * Halfway, European Country

In article <D15wM...@cs.dal.ca>, Joseph William Dixon <aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca> wrote: >Josh Hsu (jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: >:The MVH does 1 strike at first strike, so if the senguir dagger normally does >:1 aggravated damage, then MVH w/ dagger would do 1 aggravated damage first >:strike, not 4. If dagger says strike:normal hand damage is now aggravated, >:then ignore this part (I don't think it does though...) > > *All* of Muddles' attacks are at First Strike, regardless of if he uses >a weapon or not.... "Hunter _always_ strikes with First Strike." (Card >text - emphasis mine) read the message again. I did not argue with that point. I disagreed with the idea of muddles doing 4 aggravated damage with the dagger, something completely different. Please read before you post, thanks

Josh Hsu (jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: :The MVH does 1 strike at first strike, so if the senguir dagger normally does :1 aggravated damage, then MVH w/ dagger would do 1 aggravated damage first :strike, not 4. If dagger says strike:normal hand damage is now aggravated, :then ignore this part (I don't think it does though...) *All* of Muddles' attacks are at First Strike, regardless of if he uses a weapon or not.... "Hunter _always_ strikes with First Strike." (Card text - emphasis mine) -- * Check out this URL for some links I like to use. * * http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~aa343/Profile.html *

Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: >Muddled Vampire Hunter always strikes with first strike, but doesn't >otherwise "promote" the weapon he's using, if any. A Sengir Dagger would >be used with first strike, but would only deal 1 aggravated damage. What about a vampire? Does Zack North with a Sengir Dagger do 2 aggravated or just 1? I would assume 2, because Zack North (unlike Muddles) says that he has 2 *hand* damage, and it says in the rulebook that hand damage mod- ifiers can be used with melee weapons... makes sense too, because 2 hand damage should IMHO be just as if you played a card to increase hand damage every turn. Is this correct? -- Michael Constant (mco...@soda.csua.berkeley.edu)

Could someone post the wording on the sengir dagger please? that ought to clear up a lot of the confusion concerning the card...

Michael Constant <mco...@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: >What about a vampire? Does Zack North with a Sengir Dagger do 2 aggravated >or just 1? I would assume 2, because Zack North (unlike Muddles) says that >he has 2 *hand* damage, and it says in the rulebook that hand damage mod- >ifiers can be used with melee weapons... Hand damage modifiers such as "+1 hand damage" can boost either hand strikes or melee weapons. However, Zack North doesn't say "+1 hand damage", but says "2 hand damage", so just resets his basic hand damage, and only does 1 damage with the Sengir Dagger (for example). [ quoted text not captured ]