Clan impersonation: More questions

Hi all, This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd toreador deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle: a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan, does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle member of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after burning the clan impersonation? b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and become tremere justicar this way? c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain camarilla? Thanks in advance for your help Tom,Mad&Co

"Tom, Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:9gpqut$47v$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net... > Hi all, > > This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd toreador > deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle: > > a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan, > does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle member > of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after > burning the clan impersonation? The Inner Circle title is not unique [6.3.4] > b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two > justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and > become tremere justicar this way? If a Justicar changes his clan he loses the benefit of his title [10]. > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain > camarilla? No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess. Flux

Flux wrote: > > "Tom, Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message > news:9gpqut$47v$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net... > > Hi all, > > > > This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd > toreador > > deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle: > > > > a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan, > > does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle > member > > of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after > > burning the clan impersonation? > > The Inner Circle title is not unique [6.3.4] Correct. And to answer the other question: IC titles are not tied to clan (just to sect). [10.1] > > b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two > > justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and > > become tremere justicar this way? > > If a Justicar changes his clan he loses the benefit of his title [10]. Correct. > > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan > > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain > > camarilla? > > No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > <snip> > > > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan > > > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain > > > camarilla? > > > > No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess. > > Correct. > If this is the case, then does he lose his title completely, or become Archbishop of that city? Andy www.geocities.com/setitesuk -- Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune, or get fat on chocolate cake, eat the cake, life is too short to worry!

Andy Brown wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan > > > > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain > > > > camarilla? > > > > > > No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess. > > > > Correct. > > > If this is the case, then does he lose his title completely, > or become Archbishop of that city? See the cited section of the rulebook for the answers to this and other related questions. [ quoted text not captured ]