KMW Preview: Allonzo Montoya

Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! Woot! Certainly explains the cracked, blacked-out moon symbol, as well as the Sterile and Scarce traits... -John Flournoy

"John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1108344619....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a > Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! > Whats the RPG source for that? -- Colin "Eryx" Goodman Cambridge UK http://www.geocities.com/eryx_uk/Cambridge_by_night.html

Colin Goodman wrote: > "John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1108344619....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a >>Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! >> > > Whats the RPG source for that? Rage: Warriors of the Apocalypse Dan

"Dan Keller" <fitz...@earthspambegonelink.net> wrote in message news:KFTPd.12176$oO....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Thanx [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] He has also appeared in Rage CCG before, I think. Don't remember if he's an Enemy (as a Abomination) or a regular Pack character though. best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil ----------------------------------------------------- now a "luminary", whatever it means: http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

[ quoted text not captured ] And apparently there was room for a few Group 3 Abominations.

"Fabio "Sooner"" <fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> wrote in message news:sa6011lddq9td21pk...@4ax.com... >>> "John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1108344619....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>>Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a >>>>Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! > > He has also appeared in Rage CCG before, I think. > > Don't remember if he's an Enemy (as a Abomination) or a regular Pack > character though. No. He was a Wyrm character in the Wyrm expantion. One of the cool things about that expansion: it allowed players to start playing the bad guys. The really _good_ bad guys! Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > > No. He was a Wyrm character in the Wyrm expantion. One of the cool > things about that expansion: it allowed players to start playing the > bad guys. The really _good_ bad guys! > > Fred and since i know nothing at all of the backstory/rage, i think it's a real good guess that the clan (bloodline) will be listed as Wyrm. it's the only word that seems to fit the list alphabetically that would not have already been listed. john, alphabetmage.. . happy Lupercalia! (the ancient holiday that coincides with the modern Valentine's Day. it was a celebration of the rutting of the wolves, who were holy to the romans. romulus was raised by wolves, and the patron deity of the city was Juno Febris, juno of the fever, for whom february is named; wolves were here holy animals. traditional celebration was by orgying, but a werewolf abomination card being previewed seems appropriate as well...) ˆ

"Piers" <Monst...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8dcf8be2.05021...@posting.google.com... > Yes it would seem group 3 was not as full as implied. > > Piers > > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in message news:<2005021321...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] If 0 of this new clan was "full", then all group pairs (1/2,2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,...) would be "full". That hardly seems reasonable. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

> I'm filing them under 'W' for Wyrm, as I'm hoping we'll see a couple > more in the set (should be room for three of 'em when the other clans > are done) and especially that Harold Zettler will be in. :) > Seems pretty silly to make them scarce if there's only one of 'em.

> and since i know nothing at all of the backstory/rage, i think it's a > real good guess that the clan (bloodline) will be listed as Wyrm. it's > the only word that seems to fit the list alphabetically that would not > have already been listed. > Oh, I hope so. I didn't realize TBA: New was going to be this amazing, and I had already started opening holes in my Set Binder for the new Crypt Cards. I'd hate to have to start all over and file them under 'A' for Abomination. This guy is also the first non-Rare Scarce vampire. Let's see what happens when normal people can build a deck around Scarce Vampires.

> >and since i know nothing at all of the backstory/rage, i think it's a > >real good guess that the clan (bloodline) will be listed as Wyrm. it's > >the only word that seems to fit the list alphabetically that would not > >have already been listed. > >john, alphabetmage.. . > > I guess that the symbol's meaning will be revealed under the "New" > rule/whatever to be previewed soon. > I don't think it will turn out to represent "Wyrm" since it's such a > strange concept for the vampires as far as background goes. It could > just mean Abominations - since they're vampires of sorts also - or > even "World of Darkness characters" that are supposed to be under a > Methuselah's sphere of influence. Who knows? If it's a Abomination Clan symbol, perhaps we'll get a Horthulf ADV... > > best, > > Fabio "Sooner" Macedo > V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil > -------------------------------------- > Now a "luminary", whatever it means: > http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

"Gregory Stuart Pettigrew" <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in message news:2005021409...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net... [ quoted text not captured ] If this were the very last expansion ever and no other cards keyed on being Scarce (Stranger Among Us, e.g.), maybe. [ quoted text not captured ]

On 13 Feb 2005 22:48:53 -0800, "SPORE" <spore...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Frederick Scott wrote: > >> No. He was a Wyrm character in the Wyrm expantion. One of the cool >> things about that expansion: it allowed players to start playing the >> bad guys. The really _good_ bad guys! >> >> Fred > >and since i know nothing at all of the backstory/rage, i think it's a >real good guess that the clan (bloodline) will be listed as Wyrm. it's >the only word that seems to fit the list alphabetically that would not >have already been listed. >john, alphabetmage.. . I guess that the symbol's meaning will be revealed under the "New" rule/whatever to be previewed soon. I don't think it will turn out to represent "Wyrm" since it's such a strange concept for the vampires as far as background goes. It could just mean Abominations - since they're vampires of sorts also - or even "World of Darkness characters" that are supposed to be under a Methuselah's sphere of influence. Who knows? best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil -------------------------------------- Now a "luminary", whatever it means: http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

Yes it would seem group 3 was not as full as implied. Piers Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in message news:<2005021321...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>... [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:12:03 -0700, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote: >"Fabio "Sooner"" <fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> wrote in message >news:sa6011lddq9td21pk...@4ax.com... >>>> "John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1108344619....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>>>Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a >>>>>Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! >> >> He has also appeared in Rage CCG before, I think. >> >> Don't remember if he's an Enemy (as a Abomination) or a regular Pack >> character though. > >No. He was a Wyrm character in the Wyrm expantion. Geez. Have to cut off the smoke. "My brain is out of tune..." One of the cool >things about that expansion: it allowed players to start playing the >bad guys. The really _good_ bad guys! >Fred And play events like Mass Pollution and Red Alert. And attack Victim cards like the Bus Full of People, the Playground Full of Kids, the Highschool Athlete, the Happy Tourists... Always using Ass Whuppin' Lynch Mob. Not to mention to pull to your "pack" uber-powerful enemy cards like the Nexus Crawler. Man, how I loved playing Wyrm. best Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil -------------------------------------- Now a "luminary", whatever it means: http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > I'd hate to have to start all over and file them under 'A' for > Abomination. I'm filing them under 'W' for Wyrm, as I'm hoping we'll see a couple more in the set (should be room for three of 'em when the other clans are done) and especially that Harold Zettler will be in. :) --CV

> I don't think it will turn out to represent "Wyrm" since it's such a > strange concept for the vampires as far as background goes. It could > just mean Abominations - since they're vampires of sorts also - or > even "World of Darkness characters" that are supposed to be under a > Methuselah's sphere of influence. Who knows? > Maybe it stands for some variation of "Unique" or "Year of the Foo?"

And of course, "Abomination," if that's what the symbol refers to, must be a clan, because the "scarce" trait refers to clan. My Diversity deck is going to love this guy. Eric Simon Prince of Chicago

[ quoted text not captured ] Nice background. I'm not sure why the Lasombra needed a new background though, because of the green status bar, as this one looks quite good the way it is. The abilities aren't too werewolfy though... Looks kind of like a setite. Unless he gets to use special clan-based cards... ;) -- Bye, Daneel

"Fabio "Sooner" Macedo" <fabio_...@NOSPAMyahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:r7711154c0bkm2osu...@4ax.com... > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:12:03 -0700, "Frederick Scott" wrote: >>He was a Wyrm character in the Wyrm expantion. ... >> One of the cool >>things about that expansion: it allowed players to start playing the >>bad guys. The really _good_ bad guys! > > And play events like Mass Pollution and Red Alert. And attack Victim > cards like the Bus Full of People, the Playground Full of Kids, the > Highschool Athlete, the Happy Tourists... Always using Ass Whuppin' > Lynch Mob. Oh, yea, I forgot about that. "Enemy" cards, to Wyrm packs, were the helpless victims you'd see in all the horror movies. The guys you could tell were toast within 30 seconds of when they made their appearance from how their personalities were set up. ("Oh, yea!!! She's a sweet young thang...we'll be seeing parts of HER strewn from here to Texas before too long...") Fred

John Flournoy wrote: > Wow. According to the RPG (and even in Rage!), Montoya is a > Malkavian-embraced Shadow Lord ABOMINATION! > > Woot! That's two vampires in 2-3 that get +1 stealth on Serpentis actions. Nice. I must say Montoya is not the mountain of asskicking I would expect of an Abomination. Could the long-awaited "NEW" be a definition of the new Abomination scarce clan? Think some of these library cards we're seeing could be Abomination clan cards, or Werewolf cards that Abominations can play? (Like "Pack Alpha", "Bay and Howl", etc.)

> > > And apparently there was room for a few Group 3 Abominations. > > If 0 of this new clan was "full", then all group pairs (1/2,2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,...) > would be "full". That hardly seems reasonable. Sure. OTOH this one has 2 SUP FoS disciplines, and a special to match. He could very well have been a borderline setite (not sillier discipline spread than many in every clan). So he'll probably make a good addition to certain type (without Presence) of G2 or G4 FoS. In other words, make a FoS with this discipline spread in G3 wouldn't have been any more disruptive (I know, he can't play their cards ; still, the "perfect crypt" argument was mostly about disciplines, wasn't it ?). Just a remark... ------------- Orpheus, G2 (compatible with Abominations ; should I rejoice ?)

> I must say Montoya is not the mountain of asskicking I would expect of > an Abomination. Agreed. > Could the long-awaited "NEW" be a definition of the new > Abomination scarce clan? Think some of these library cards we're seeing > could be Abomination clan cards, or Werewolf cards that Abominations > can play? (Like "Pack Alpha", "Bay and Howl", etc.) And what if you could "make" an abomination from a Werewolf, like with the old Abo card, but into a real vamp as this one ? (don't think they would go that road, but well...) ---------- Orpheus, G2

> And what if you could "make" an abomination from a Werewolf, like with the > old Abo card, but into a real vamp as this one ? (don't think they would go > that road, but well...) > ---------- > Orpheus, G2 It's possible they'll errata the old Abomination to be a member of this new clan instead of clanless, but then, the Great Beast is clanless, so they may leave it unchanged. John

[ quoted text not captured ] One-up you, Orph. Think about it - the Ravnos was the only clan to get 7 new vamps instead of 6 new and one G2 Advancement. SO... maybe another abomination with NEC and one more with QUI? But they won't match perfectly, can't use those clans clan-specific stuff, and are generally wierd enough not to screw up the 2/3 grouping too much, but maybe lets group 4 get a little smaller (especially if there's a good bit of synergy with these vamps) so that the odd/even groupings of the indies can be rebalanced a little faster? Just a thought... John

On 14 Feb 2005 14:37:05 -0800, jnew...@difsol.com wrote: >> In other words, make a FoS with this discipline spread in G3 wouldn't >have >> been any more disruptive (I know, he can't play their cards ; still, >the >> "perfect crypt" argument was mostly about disciplines, wasn't it ?). >> >> Just a remark... >> ------------- >> Orpheus, G2 (compatible with Abominations ; should I rejoice ?) > >One-up you, Orph. Think about it - the Ravnos was the only clan to get >7 new vamps instead of 6 new and one G2 Advancement. SO... maybe >another abomination with NEC and one more with QUI? But they won't >match perfectly, can't use those clans clan-specific stuff, and are >generally wierd enough not to screw up the 2/3 grouping too much, but >maybe lets group 4 get a little smaller (especially if there's a good >bit of synergy with these vamps) so that the odd/even groupings of the >indies can be rebalanced a little faster? Just a thought... It's got the counter argument. It seems like for every "Well, I can't use it to play cards requiring Setite", it's got a counterargument of "It doesn't count as Setite" for things like Trophy: Clan Respect or the receiving end of Consag Condemnation, or cards of a similar nature that punish single clan decks or help multi clan ones (like Diversity). Morgan Vening

> One-up you, Orph. Think about it - the Ravnos was the only clan to get > 7 new vamps instead of 6 new and one G2 Advancement. SO... maybe > another abomination with NEC and one more with QUI? But they won't > match perfectly, can't use those clans clan-specific stuff, and are > generally wierd enough not to screw up the 2/3 grouping too much, but > maybe lets group 4 get a little smaller (especially if there's a good > bit of synergy with these vamps) so that the odd/even groupings of the > indies can be rebalanced a little faster? Just a thought... A thought I rather like. We'll see soon enough. --------- "Orph" ;) > > John > >

"Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message news:42112c3b$0$11271$626a...@news.free.fr... [ quoted text not captured ] Aren't we being a little premature about this? I mean, you never know what "clan rules" will exist around this new clan, probably to be revealed tomorrow. Assamites have their blood curse (though it now has to be printed on the card), Baali their infernal rule. Tomorrow, White Wolf may reveal that Montoya's clan (Wyrm or whatever it's called) has a special rule that goes with it. For instance: "ANY METHUSELAH USING OR AT ANY TIME CONTROLLING A MINION OF THIS CLAN IS HEREBY *DAMNED* *TO* *HELL* FOR ALL ETERNITY. (A White Wolf employee will around to collect your soul in the morning. That is all.)" Just a thought. Fred

I wonder that it clan won't have "clan rules". Maybe all will be Scarce and Sterile, but don't anymore. Therefore, it's interesting a clan rule affecting Methuselahs. Arietzky

In effect, the Abomination clan only has the rules of Scarce and Sterile vampires.