During strike resolution vampire A do one damage to vampire B.
Vampire B do no damage to vampire A.
Neither vampire chose to prevent any damage.
Vampire A chooses to play pulled fangs.
Vampire B responds by playing sideslip.
Now, what is possible?
Vampire B prevents the damage from pulled fangs and is unaffected by the
pulled fangs, take the original one damage and plays on.
Vampire B prevents the original one damage, leaving the pulled fang beeing
impossoble to play, resulting in Vampire B taking no damage.
Vampire B prevents the original damage, takes the aggrevated damage from
pulled fangs and goes to torpor.
Is there any other possibility?
Thanks in advance
Martin Åkesson.
Martin Åkesson wrote:
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Pulled Fangs is played in the press stage. Damage prevention is played
during each damage prevention phase. That means you must choose whether
you prevent the damage before the opponent chooses whether to play
PF. So vampire B can not play sideslip in the example, he has already
passed up his one and only opportunity. To prevent the damage from
Pulled Fangs you would need something other than a damage prevention
combat card. Flak Jacket would stop the damage, Skin of Night would
turn it from aggravated to normal. But you can not play Sideslip at that
point since it can only be played during damage prevention.
Martin Åkesson wrote:
>
> During strike resolution vampire A does one damage to vampire B.
> Vampire B does no damage to vampire A.
> Neither vampire choses to prevent any damage.
... And then, during the press step:
> Vampire A chooses to play pulled fangs.
> Vampire B responds by playing sideslip.
> Now, what is possible?
Sideslip cannot be played at this time. Damage prevention cards
can only be played during strike resolution [RTR].
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In article <6hi9bu$1...@newstoo.ericsson.se>, Martin Åkesson <martin.akes
s...@egs.ericsson.se> writes
>During strike resolution vampire A do one damage to vampire B.
>Vampire B do no damage to vampire A.
>Neither vampire chose to prevent any damage.>Vampire A chooses to play pulled fangs.
>Vampire B responds by playing sideslip.
>Now, what is possible?
>>Vampire B prevents the damage from pulled fangs and is unaffected by the
>pulled fangs, take the original one damage and plays on.
>
Not possible. Pulled Fangs is not played during Strike Resolution so
damage is not preventable.
>Vampire B prevents the original one damage, leaving the pulled fang beeing
>impossoble to play, resulting in Vampire B taking no damage.
They already chose not to prevent damage and since Pulled Fangs has been
played, you can't go back and prevent it. You can only prevent it with
combat cards during Strike Resolution. Pulled Fangs isn't played then
so you can't prevent any damage with Sideslip.
>
>Vampire B prevents the original damage, takes the aggrevated damage from
>pulled fangs and goes to torpor.
Can't prevent the original damage. Pulled Fangs means damage prevention
has passed so you can't go back and prevent the damage.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Quicksilver wrote:
> Martin Åkesson wrote:
>
> Pulled Fangs is played in the press stage. Damage prevention is played
> during each damage prevention phase. That means you must choose whether
> you prevent the damage before the opponent chooses whether to play
> PF. So vampire B can not play sideslip in the example, he has already
> passed up his one and only opportunity. To prevent the damage from
> Pulled Fangs you would need something other than a damage prevention
> combat card. Flak Jacket would stop the damage, Skin of Night would
> turn it from aggravated to normal. But you can not play Sideslip at that> point since it can only be played during damage prevention.
>
All this is, to my knowledge, correct, except the Skin of Night
part. I was one who played Skin of Night against Michael Kelly (aka
Quicksilver) on JOL8, and it did cause some commotion back then.
I had a minion with 'for' in combat with another one with 'FOR'.
We both struck hands, but his minion prevented my 1 point damage and
played PF (all in the same email message). I claimed that I could still
play Skin of Night, who would change PF's Aggro damage to normal. George
Fink (the game moderator and part-time rulemonger) said that it could be
played in response to a Pulled Fangs because it was not preventing the
damage.
But Scott reminded us a few weeks ago that there are no
'interrupts' in this game, so you can't play a card 'in response' to
another (except when noted so). SoN affects all damage dealt from the time
it is played onward - ie. has no retroactive effect (that I know of).
There is no separate damage resolution/prevention step when one
plays Pulled Fangs (though it should - maybe there could be a ruling like:
whenever a combat card deals damage [and maybe we could extend it to 'any
card' to cover Rutor's Hand], a Damage Prevention step should arise to
allow the damaged minion to prevent the damage).
Still, Michael, what I did on JOL8 was legal. You never allowed me
to prevent damage, so I had time to play SoN before your PF. If you may
recall, we allowed you to take back your PF. (Yeah, I know you didn't say
nothing, but I'm antecipating (: )
David Pontes
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Quicksilver wrote in message <353CDB71...@lmco.com>...
> Pulled Fangs is played in the press stage. Damage prevention is played
>during each damage prevention phase. That means you must choose whether
>you prevent the damage before the opponent chooses whether to play>PF. ...
If pulled fangs is played in the press stage, does that mean that Vampire A
don´t get a chance to play Pulled Fangs before Vampire B strikes with
additional strikes?
Martin Åkesson
In article <6hl27o$j...@newstoo.ericsson.se>,
"Martin Åkesson" <martin....@egs.ericsson.se> wrote:
>
>
> Quicksilver wrote in message <353CDB71...@lmco.com>...
> > Pulled Fangs is played in the press stage. Damage prevention is played
> >during each damage prevention phase. That means you must choose whether
> >you prevent the damage before the opponent chooses whether to play
> >PF. ...
>
> If pulled fangs is played in the press stage, does that mean that Vampire A> doesn´t get a chance to play Pulled Fangs before Vampire B strikes with
> additional strikes?
Yes, that's what it means.
Note that Pulled Fangs can be played any time the round is ending - like
if the opposing vampire is going to torpor.
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.98042...@alfa.ist.utl.pt>,
David Pontes <l41...@alfa.ist.utl.pt> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Quicksilver wrote:
>> > Martin =C5kesson wrote:
> >=20> > Pulled Fangs is played in the press stage. Damage prevention is played
> > during each damage prevention phase. That means you must choose whether
> > you prevent the damage before the opponent chooses whether to play> > PF. So vampire B can not play sideslip in the example, he has already
> > passed up his one and only opportunity. To prevent the damage from
> > Pulled Fangs you would need something other than a damage prevention
> > combat card. Flak Jacket would stop the damage, Skin of Night would
> > turn it from aggravated to normal. But you can not play Sideslip at that
> > point since it can only be played during damage prevention.> >=20
>
> =09All this is, to my knowledge, correct, except the Skin of Night> part. I was one who played Skin of Night against Michael Kelly (aka> Quicksilver) on JOL8, and it did cause some commotion back then.=20
> =09I had a minion with 'for' in combat with another one with 'FOR'.=20> We both struck hands, but his minion prevented my 1 point damage and
> played PF (all in the same email message). I claimed that I could still
> play Skin of Night, who would change PF's Aggro damage to normal. George
> Fink (the game moderator and part-time rulemonger) said that it could be
> played in response to a Pulled Fangs because it was not preventing the
> damage.
Nice analysis, but damage always comes in two parts: apply damage and
heal damage (in the outline, these are steps V.E.2.b. and V.E.2.c.,
respectively). This is true even outside of strike resolution (like
Pulled Fangs).
Generic ruling: [LSJ 970414]
Pulled Fangs ruling: [LSJ 970609]
applied to Weather Control: [LSJ 970410]
It seems possible that I could have ruled otherwise in private e-mail
prior to those rulings (I have a vague ominous feeling that I did), and
if so, I apologize.
> =09But Scott reminded us a few weeks ago that there are no> 'interrupts' in this game, so you can't play a card 'in response' to
> another (except when noted so). SoN affects all damage dealt from the time> it is played onward - ie. has no retroactive effect (that I know of).=20
> =09There is no separate damage resolution/prevention step when one
> plays Pulled Fangs (though it should - maybe there could be a ruling like:=
> =20> whenever a combat card deals damage [and maybe we could extend it to 'any
> card' to cover Rutor's Hand], a Damage Prevention step should arise to
> allow the damaged minion to prevent the damage).
Whenever damage is dealt, (a) the damage is applied to the minion and then
(b) the minion handles the damage (burning blood/life to heal it, burning
blood to prevent destruction, etc.)
Damage prevention cards can be played during (a) only if the
damage is occuring during strike resolution.
Other (in-play) damage prevention effects can be used during (a)
at any time (subject to card text - most will say "in combat").
Before going to (b), however, you are free to play Skin of Night,
for example, which alters how you "treat" damage for the remainder
of this round of combat.
> =09Still, Michael, what I did on JOL8 was legal. You never allowed me> to prevent damage, so I had time to play SoN before your PF. If you may
> recall, we allowed you to take back your PF. (Yeah, I know you didn't say
> nothing, but I'm antecipating (: )
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