Withdraws, ousters, and card in play

Just wondering how you people handle the situation of cards in play when the owner (*not* controller) is ousted or withdraws. I tend to favor the Sabbat rule that the cards stay in play because it makes more sense. If i'm playing my FoS and steal vampires, the are now mine for purposes of the game. As a methusalah, i have wrested control from another meth and he is dead. The are technically mine. If i have invested time and blood (Grand Temple of Set) those things better not disappear when my prey does. I'm not saying that ownership of the card changes; but control should still be mine as long as i'm in the game, or someone else steals the minion or other card (eg, the Rack). What is you guys' take on this? LSJ? Hardrock -- Hardrock Llewynyth a.g.AB founding member (DNRC) hard...@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~hardrock Unsolicited commercial or mass email sent to this address may be subject to a receiving and/or processing fee of US $1.00 per byte. Fee will be payable in full upon demand. Details will be emailed to sender.

hard...@speakeasy.org (Hardrock Llewynyth) writes: >Just wondering how you people handle the situation of cards in play when >the owner (*not* controller) is ousted or withdraws. >I tend to favor the Sabbat rule that the cards stay in play because it >makes more sense. If i'm playing my FoS and steal vampires, the are now >mine for purposes of the game. As a methusalah, i have wrested control >from another meth and he is dead. The are technically mine. Not by the Golden Rule of Card Ownership. They are technically burned when the owner is ousted. We have alwyas played a house rule that overrules the Golden Rule. But we recognize that it is just a house rule (partially validated by the Sabbat rules on withdrawal - note that the Sabbat rules only apply during withdrawal, not during the standard ousting). -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Kirk: How's Ensign Pilsbury? http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | McCoy: He's Bread, Jim. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

My contention is that The Golden Rule of Card Ownership makes very little sense *for the purpose of game play* in light of something like FoS or stolen locations (Disputed Territory, etc). Once the location or minion has been stolen, it is no longer controlled by the methuselah, so why should it go away when he does? Obviously, this does not apply in the case of real life card ownership :) Hardrock -- Hardrock Llewynyth a.g.AB founding member (DNRC) hard...@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~hardrock This message was printed on 100% recycled electrons

Well, as much as I sympathize with the non-realistic Golden Rule, it really wouldn't seem fair to make someone wait around after they've been kicked out of a game because you stole some of their cards... Seems a little mean to me... :) James -- James Hamblin je...@cornell.edu --------------------------------------------------- "Well, Mulder didn't say that it _was_ Alex Trebek, just someone who looked extremely like him." -- Dana Scully, X-Files: "Jose Chung's _From Outer Space_"

Thus saith James Hamblin the Unworthy, in the Year of Our Lord Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:39:29 -0500 : > Well, as much as I sympathize with the non-realistic Golden Rule, it > really wouldn't seem fair to make someone wait around after they've been > kicked out of a game because you stole some of their cards... > Seems a little mean to me... :) Agreed :) But it just doesn't make sense. If proxies were allowed it would be a different matter i'm sure. Hardrock -- Hardrock Llewynyth a.g.AB founding member (DNRC) hard...@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~hardrock Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has come from the subjects of government. The history of Liberty is the history of resistance. --Woodrow Wilson: Address, N.Y. Press Club; May 9th, 1912

Hardrock Llewynyth wrote: > > Agreed :) But it just doesn't make sense. If proxies were allowed it > would be a different matter i'm sure. I don't see this as a bad thing. It's just one more facet to an intricate game. James