what group is Aleister Crowley?

The white-wolf site lists Aleister Crowley as group 4. Also, he is in the Malkavian starter, which would lead one to believe that he is, indeed, group 4. Is the official card list to be taken as errata to the physical card, which says he is group 5?

[ quoted text not captured ] As all the other precon vampires are indeed group 4 and with Aleister counted as group 4 the number of Malkavians in group 4 matches with other Camarilla clans, I'd presume that we have a case of misprint.

[ quoted text not captured ] It seems like it might be a minor enough misprint that LSJ will just tell us to play him as written. Then again, maybe the card list version is to be taken as errata... LSJ? It wouldn't necessarily be a big deal if he were errata'd, as there are currently no group 6 vamps that he could play with as a group 5. So, it's not like someone could build a deck that looks legal as he is printed but would be illegal with him errata'd. Although, I'm assuming group 6 isn't all that far away.

[ quoted text not captured ] No errata; no misprint. He's group 5.

What group? Well the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, I presume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > No errata; no misprint. [Aleister Crowley]'s group 5. Then please fix the official card text and CSV. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_A#Aleister_Crowley Aleister Crowley [KoT:PM2] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Malkavian Group: **4** Capacity: 7 Discipline: aus obf DEM PRE THA Camarilla: Frenzy cards cannot be played on Aleister. Artist: Vince Locke (He also comes up as group 4 in SecretLibrary searches, etc, so I know the CSV is out of whack too)

ARDB has him as Group 4, so does the CSV need to be changed?

Jozxyqk wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> No errata; no misprint. [Aleister Crowley]'s group 5. > > Then please fix the official card text and CSV. Um, yeah. The fact that his group as listed there didn't match his printed group is what started this thread.

> Um, yeah. > > The fact that his group as listed there didn't match his printed group is what > started this thread. Obviously. I'm not tech savy, so I don't know how Graham does his data base. So I was throwing it out there on the off chance he types in the inventory by hand. I was just trying to be thorough.

On Dec 7, 11:11 pm, devil_in_the_pale_moon_li...@yahoo.com wrote: > ARDB has him as Group 4, so does the CSV need to be changed? ARDB and Secret Library both read the card data from CSVs.