step-by-step rules in Dutch

A while ago, when I was teaching the game to my friends, I wrote a step-by-step version of the rules in Dutch. I didn't literally translate the rulebook (no point, since almost all Dutch folks know English), but I tried to make an easy-to-reference "how to" for newbies, based on what (IME) the things are that people usually get wrong or will be confused about. You see, I found the rulebook to be perfectly fine and clear, but not necessarily a good tool for learning the game out of nothing. So I made a 1-page document stating the phases of the game, with short descriptions on what to do in each phase; a step-by-step outline of combat; a document on "how to play a card" and so forth. All in all it's 12 pages in Word, fonts size 10. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in having or archiving it, Lasombra perhaps? If so, maybe it's a good idea if an experienced player who speaks Dutch would check it for mistakes first. -Teeka

[ quoted text not captured ] Is it similar to this: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/?line=outline ?

[ quoted text not captured ] > ?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Yes and no. It has a similar step-by step structure, but I wrote it in a way that's not as 100% unambiguous/specified, but more like in a "newbie-language". So I put more emphasis on rules of thumb, sometimes stating the obvious, and tried to offer some extra explanations on "what a rule says and what that means for certain situations (kindof like the rulings on the WW website). In other words, on one hand I'm not as thourough on some issues as the rule outlines are, but on the other I emphasise certain little things that (judging from personal experience) I think newbies might have trouble with. You can't read Dutch by any chance, can you LSJ?

[ quoted text not captured ] > You can't read Dutch by any chance, can you LSJ?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - I could look it over for you, if need be. just toss it on here, im sure there might be others chiming in. Cheers, B

[ quoted text not captured ] > B- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - You mean copy the text here? I could, but the easy-reference layout will probably get ruined, and that's one of the major things I tried to do. Maybe it's a better idea to upload it somewhere or perhaps e- mail it (to you)?

[ quoted text not captured ] Probably best to put it online somewhere then. ;)

<snip> > to do. Maybe it's a better idea to upload it somewhere or perhaps e- >> mail it (to you)? > > Probably best to put it online somewhere then. ;) I'd be interested in that document as well. I'm at the moment teaching new people the game as well

[ quoted text not captured ] Sure, only I have no website of my own (just a couple of those crappy friend/network things). Sorry. Anyone have a place I can upload it to?

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:50:09 -0800 (PST), Teeka wrote: >Sure, only I have no website of my own (just a couple of those crappy >friend/network things). Sorry. Anyone have a place I can upload it to? Print it to pdf, and email that to me. I will host it. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com Your best online source for information about V:TES. Now also featuring individual card sales and sales of booster and starter box displays.

[ quoted text not captured ] sure. just email it to me (but swap 'hotmail' for 'yahoo' in my email address to get it to work, as noted in my sig. :) although most internet service providers (ISPs) I know allow you to have some amount of free web hosting space. you should look into it on your ISP's website and see if you have something similar. -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

> Sure, only I have no website of my own (just a couple of those crappy > friend/network things). Sorry. Anyone have a place I can upload it to? You can temp host files at mediafire.com or myfreefilehosting.com

@ Izaak: thanks! I put it on mediafire. @ Salem: thanks a lot for the offer, but I decided to put it on mediafire for everyone to access easily. @ Lasombra: I'll wait until some other Dutch speakers have checked the text for mistakes, so you don't have to go through the trouble of putting it on your site more than once. I'll definitely send it to you after it's been checked. @ everyone: here they are (10 small word docs): http://www.mediafire.com/(link number) the link numbers: ?6jzjrehuvvu ?3cztj81yyez ?0htjioy4ben ?a0gwdlhenwz ?1js1j2zhmo9 ?d0dhlfdj9o4 ?dxylyhgzdig ?bx1fsz35nl0 ?9ifjb1gj5ec ?5h3pzyyjejo Let me know what you think! As I said, these are not meant to be a translation of (or replacement for) the rulebook, but as a way to easily search for and understand rules and game mechanics.

[ quoted text not captured ] not to be terribly annoying, but could you like.. zip it in one file and put it up at once? :P

[ quoted text not captured ] > and put it up at once? :P- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Sure. Thought this would be handier... shows you what I know. There ya go: http://www.mediafire.com/?3nb4gj0zyt3 -Teeka

[ quoted text not captured ] I know the rules are 40 + # of players ( minimaal 40, maximaal 40 + (10 x het aantal spelers)), but typically around here we just play with 60-90 card libraries, the V:EKN rules. That way we don't have to drop 10 cards in a 4 player game. And while on the topic, the minimaal # of cards is 60, not 40. It's only 40 in limited play. Dutch is strangely like English, yet not. I feel like it's a code with the filter just slightly off. Instead of or, it's "of". Instead of you, it's "je". But then words like voorwerp pop up, and blammo, I realize it's a very different language after all. best - chris -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

On 21 dec, 22:56, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > I know the rules are 40 + # of players ( minimaal 40, maximaal 40 + (10 > x het aantal spelers)), but typically around here we just play with > 60-90 card libraries, the V:EKN rules. That way we don't have to drop > 10 cards in a 4 player game. And while on the topic, the minimaal # of > cards is 60, not 40. It's only 40 in limited play. > Yeah I know. We decided on the V:EKN rule immideately as well. I just added that because, well, it's in the rulebook. > Dutch is strangely like English, yet not. I feel like it's a code with > the filter just slightly off. Instead of or, it's "of". Instead of > you, it's "je". > > But then words like voorwerp pop up, and blammo, I realize it's a very > different language after all. > Lmao! Yeah, lots of English speakers get that. Dutch, I feel, is exactly what you'd expect given the big nations that surround it: sortof in the middle between English and German, with a little French here and there. Would be interesting to have you translate what I wrote back into English and see how far you get... ;-) Perhaps you could use it to crank up on your Dutch a bit.. after all, you already know what it's supposed to say, now figure out the exact words! FYI: "voorwerp" means "object". Come to think of it, literally "voor- werp" translates into "before-throw"... hmm.

On 19 déc, 14:09, Teeka <teeka_dra...@hotmail.com> wrote: > A while ago, when I was teaching the game to my friends, I wrote a > step-by-step version of the rules in Dutch. > > I didn't literally translate the rulebook (no point, since almost all > Dutch folks know English), but I tried to make an easy-to-reference > "how to" for newbies, based on what (IME) the things are that people > usually get wrong or will be confused about. You see, I found the > rulebook to be perfectly fine and clear, but not necessarily a good > tool for learning the game out of nothing. > > So I made a 1-page document stating the phases of the game, with short > descriptions on what to do in each phase; a step-by-step outline of > combat; a document on "how to play a card" and so forth. All in all > it's 12 pages in Word, fonts size 10. > > -Teeka It seems interesting. is it possible to translate it in English please ? XPmaster Monitor of Geneva

[ quoted text not captured ] > Monitor of Geneva- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Sure, no problem. I'll wait until it's been checked for mistakes for that as well, though.

[ quoted text not captured ] Looked over, comments in red: http://www.mediafire.com/?3jmhmidbyly Cheers, Bram