BLACK HAND !!!

It has just been pointed out to me that the Anarchs rulebook included an announcement for the next expansion : the Black Hand, coming out November !!! This inspires a few things to me : - I'm glad this theme was chosen, and am sure there will be great things, especially concerning big vampires - I would have prefered a later date, because the players (myself included) may have trouble following too frequent expansions, a) moneywise, and b) gamewise (although the CE didn't bring that many changes, and Anarchs sure doesn't seem as rich - and long to assimilate - as Bloodlines, but of course that opinion is personnal) - Will we see any new True Brujah and Nagaraja ??? - Does this open the door for the next expansion : The Inconnu ? Or will this one also include a few intruders like VLAD or MONTANO ?!?!?! - LSJ, I WANT/NEED to be a pre-tester !! Pretty please with blood on top ? I'm the first one to ask... ;-) All in all, I can't wait... Orpheus -- "When you dream, sometimes you remember When you wake, you always forget". Neil Gaiman

"Orpheus" <orph...@free.fr> wrote in message news:<3ec9521f$0$29723$626a...@news.free.fr>... [ quoted text not captured ] I´m pretty sure this will be the Sabbat Black Hand, not the "True Hand"... So no Trujahs and Nagarajas.. (the True Hand was destroyed, and the survivors scattered, but then again, the !Tremere were also destroyed, so maybe we will see a little bit of both hands). I personally also think that November is a bit early as well, but it´s not like WW has officially announced it yet on their site or anything, so they COULD still change the date. Granted, Anarchs is a small expansion, but especially moneywise a date like Februrary or March next year would be better. The single most important thing WW could do to keep the spirit of players up along with their love of the game they already have, which is announce another expansion, so it couldn´t hurt to wait another 3 ou 4 months before we see it! :) Montano would be very welcome indeed, tn any expansion!! I would love to see him as the first 11cap Lasombra. Maybe alongside Yorak and his Cathedral of Flesh or even The Dracon as a Tzimisce 11cap. Vlad would be nice, but not as an 11cap... (I haven´t seen or heard news from Velya yet, but I assume he is a 10cap Tzimisce since no one bothered to say anything about him) Including some Iconnu Monitors would be nice as well! Pity not much else about the Iconnu can be introduced without WW having to make it up first as there is little to no information (arguably a good thing). And here goes nothing: LSJ, I would also like to be considered for a playtester if at all possible! I would be greatly honored to receive such a vote of confidence. Daniel Figueiredo, V:EKN Prince of Campinas, São Paulo.

On 19 May 2003 21:20:12 -0700, om...@uol.com.br (Daniel Figueiredo) scrawled: [snip] >would be nice, but not as an 11cap... (I haven´t seen or heard news >from Velya yet, but I assume he is a 10cap Tzimisce since no one >bothered to say anything about him) Velya, The Flayer Tzimisce G3 Cap 9 VIC PRE AUS ANI for Sabbat Cardinal: Once each combat, you may discard a card that requires Auspex to give Velya a press. Illus. Jim Nelson The first Tzim with for. The days of fearing Kiss of Ra are over. My only gripe is the picture. The 'child bride' fleshcrafted to his back looks like a crazy old woman. She's supposed to be a crazy little girl. oh well. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

salem wrote: > Velya, The Flayer > Tzimisce > G3 > Cap 9 > VIC PRE AUS ANI for > Sabbat Cardinal: Once each combat, you may discard a card that > requires Auspex to give Velya a press. > Illus. Jim Nelson > > The first Tzim with for. The days of fearing Kiss of Ra are over. and me thinks it's a bad thing : every clan has to have flaws ;) > My only gripe is the picture. The 'child bride' fleshcrafted to his > back looks like a crazy old woman. She's supposed to be a crazy > little girl. oh well. the picture is simply horrible. It's one of the worst art made for a vampire. ever =)

Daniel Figueiredo wrote: > "Orpheus" <orph...@free.fr> wrote in message news:<3ec9521f$0$29723$626a...@news.free.fr>... > >>- LSJ, I WANT/NEED to be a pre-tester !! Pretty please with blood on top ? >>I'm the first one to ask... ;-) >> > And here goes nothing: > LSJ, I would also like to be considered for a playtester if at all > possible! I would be greatly honored to receive such a vote of > confidence. Thanks for the offers, but we've got playtesting well covered already. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3ec9e564$0$17872$79c1...@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net>... > salem wrote: > > > Velya, The Flayer > > Tzimisce > > G3 > > Cap 9 > > VIC PRE AUS ANI for > > Sabbat Cardinal: Once each combat, you may discard a card that > > requires Auspex to give Velya a press. > > Illus. Jim Nelson A new cardinal, along with lambach, matteus, blounts, rose, wescott, etc. TP Vote Count and PRE vote-push, plus Voter Caps vis-stealth/bleed and aggra threats Soon will see "In the Presence of Tzimisce" ;) > > The first Tzim with for. The days of fearing Kiss of Ra are over. > > and me thinks it's a bad thing : every clan has to have flaws ;) > The clan still suffers from the Kiss of Ra. Velya is still the ONLY Tzimisce with with for and same from the Kiss. I think his ability to get rid of jamed aus-intercept providing a press that works well with ani combat, is more scary. > > My only gripe is the picture. The 'child bride' fleshcrafted to his > > back looks like a crazy old woman. She's supposed to be a crazy > > little girl. oh well. > > the picture is simply horrible. It's one of the worst art made for a > vampire. ever =) Elena is a 16-17th c. noble, using heavy make-up, eating like a cow, no wonder she looks like that (provided it's the same dipiction from VtM books). Aris

> - I would have prefered a later date, because the players (myself included) > may have trouble following too frequent expansions, a) moneywise, and b) > gamewise Agree. >(although the CE didn't bring that many changes, and Except for 100 new vampires allowing totally new strategies. > Anarchs sure > doesn't seem as rich - and long to assimilate - as Bloodlines, but of course > that opinion is personnal) Yet to prove. johannes walch v:ekn germany

> >>- LSJ, I WANT/NEED to be a pre-tester !! Pretty please with blood on top ? > >>I'm the first one to ask... ;-) > >> > > And here goes nothing: > > LSJ, I would also like to be considered for a playtester if at all > > possible! I would be greatly honored to receive such a vote of > > confidence. > > Thanks for the offers, but we've got playtesting well covered already. AAAAARGH !! :-( Well, then count me in for the next one ?! How long in advance do we have to apply ? And if some of your playtesters die "accidently", please put me in line (if not, some more will have to die...). Orpheus, adept of the "Giovanni way".

> >(although the CE didn't bring that many changes, and > > Except for 100 new vampires allowing totally new strategies. LOL. Of course. But how long did it take to assimilate the expansion, compared to Bloodlines ? Sure, we didn't get to test it all yet (luckily), but there were few new cards, and many of the new vampires were variations on possible strategies. I'm not saying it wasn't a good expansion, I think it was, but the assimilation time wasn't as long as for Bloodlines (still lots of variations I didn't get to try...). > > Anarchs sure > > doesn't seem as rich - and long to assimilate - as Bloodlines, but of > course > > that opinion is personnal) > > Yet to prove. Of course. Time will tell, and when I get enough of it I will develop, that wasn't my goal here. No matter how long it will take us to digest the (few in comparison to Bloodlines) new cards, and new "strategies" in Anarchs, I still feel that Black Hand is coming too soon. But then, I guess WW doesn't HAVE to get it at the time when it's announced ; however, my guess would be that postponing it after Christmas would be a very bad commercial move, so... :-( (can't wait, on the other - black - hand...). But if WW heeds what more than a few players just said here, maybe they will space the next expansions a little more (one year would be fine in my book). Orpheus

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> writes: > salem wrote: > > > Velya, The Flayer > > Tzimisce > > G3 > > Cap 9 > > VIC PRE AUS ANI for > > Sabbat Cardinal: Once each combat, you may discard a card that > > requires Auspex to give Velya a press. > > Illus. Jim Nelson > > My only gripe is the picture. The 'child bride' fleshcrafted to his > > back looks like a crazy old woman. She's supposed to be a crazy > > little girl. oh well. > > the picture is simply horrible. It's one of the worst art made for a > vampire. ever =) Yah. Although the Anarchs art is pretty nice, the picture of Velya is a glaring exception. Ugh. As an aside, most of my favorite art in this set is from Shy... he can do great work when he's not in "mass production" mode. //Petri

Petri Wessman wrote: > "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> writes: > >> salem wrote: >> >>> Velya, The Flayer >>> Tzimisce >>> G3 >>> Cap 9 >>> VIC PRE AUS ANI for >>> Sabbat Cardinal: Once each combat, you may discard a card that >>> requires Auspex to give Velya a press. >>> Illus. Jim Nelson > >>> My only gripe is the picture. The 'child bride' fleshcrafted to >>> his back looks like a crazy old woman. She's supposed to be a >>> crazy little girl. oh well. >> >> the picture is simply horrible. It's one of the worst art made for >> a vampire. ever =) > > Yah. Although the Anarchs art is pretty nice, the picture of Velya > is a glaring exception. Ugh. The problem is, some painters simply don"t understand what a vampire may look like : Does Velya look like a vampire to you ? he's like a character from any cheap heroic fantasy compendium. The Nosferatu from Camarilla Expansion also looked like trolls or goblins or whatever : especially those with fortitude (the 4 cap with the big foots and 6 cap with a hat). Hey, come on, it's a vampire game ! they suppose to look mean and dangerous ! someone has to inform them ! About the anarch set, look at Clarissa or Lisa for more nonsense : they look like mortal allies. And Clarissa may fit in a Merfolk deck for a certain other game imho... =) > As an aside, most of my favorite art in this set is from Shy... he > can do great work when he's not in "mass production" mode. yup ! this expansion shows the best Shy can do !! Brunhilde, Karsh and Quentin King III adv all look great =) at least this guy portrays vampires. It's also cool to see that Lawrence Snelly gets better and better at this photo-to-art stuff. Danielle Diron or Martin frankell deserves a A+ grade in my book =) reyda

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3ec9e564$0$17872$79c1...@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] Not going to get into that, the two rules for a happy life being never to start a land war in Asia, and never to get into an aesthetic dispute with a French person [unless, of course, you yourself happen to be Asian or French respectively]. However, i can't resist passing on the following wise observation from Rob Treasure, to the effect that Week of Fortune really IS [or really appears to be] the worst piece of card-art ever, even worse than Fee Stake: Corte and Exuding Blood. Or so a shallow and unobservant person might conclude. The Enlightened will see it for what it is - a fine representation of a patch of dog-shit, with the purple heads of the tape-worms shyly peeking through. Yes folks, we are into the brave new world of Dog-Poo: The Eternal Stickiness. O, and has anyone else noticed how nice the new cards smell?

In article <22fea992.03052...@posting.google.com>, legbiter <legb...@mailandnews.com> wrote: >However, i can't resist passing on the following wise observation from >Rob Treasure, to the effect that Week of Fortune really IS [or really >appears to be] the worst piece of card-art ever, even worse than Fee >Stake: Corte and Exuding Blood. Exuding blood is a bit..._active_, perhaps, but I wouldn't call it awful. Fee Stake: Corte is just tedious. I'm not seeing the awfulness. And year of Fortune is just a starry sky, is it not? Have years of media coverage of the Royal Family destroyed all ability to tell 'pretty' from 'icky' across the pond? None of these cards is a patch on, say, Gerard Rafiq for sheer amateurishness of execution and unpleasantness to behold, or the new artwork for (shudder) Blood Puppy. Or Shotgun Ritual. >O, and has anyone else noticed how nice the new cards smell? No, but I'm very pleased with the coating. CE was too matte for my taste, and the promo Vitels too glossy. Anarchs seems to have really hit the sweet spot, varnish-wise. Mm. Sweet, sweet varnish. Why not drink some right now? gomi -- Individually, I love you all with affection unspeakable; but, collectively, I look upon you with a disgust that amounts to absolute detestation. - Gilbert and Sullivan, 'Pirates of Penzance'

In message <baj1bc$k74$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Gomi no Sensei <go...@panix.com> writes: >Have years of media coverage of the Royal Family destroyed all >ability to tell 'pretty' from 'icky' across the pond? Yes. See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

In article <C3nlRKh0...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm > >Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. Ach. Now there's a real Nightmare Curse. The first one is 'Prince William comes at you in a dark alley, and we don't mean in a good way,' and the second is 'Prince William at the Jaundice International fundraiser.' What were they thinking? He's not natively unhandsome; it takes work to make him look that bad. [ quoted text not captured ]

(Gomi no Sensei) wrote: > James Coupe wrote: > > >See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm > > > >Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. > > Ach. Now there's a real Nightmare Curse. The first one is > 'Prince William comes at you in a dark alley, and we don't > mean in a good way,' Heh. My first impression of the first picture was that he was trying to give Michael Jackson competition for Most Famous Pedophile. If picture doesn't scream, "Come here little girl, Willie's got some candy for you," I don't know what does. > and the second is 'Prince William > at the Jaundice International fundraiser.' For some reason it reminds me of a Ventrue. Stately and dead. > What were they thinking? He's not natively unhandsome; it takes > work to make him look that bad. I'm sure Christopher Shy is up to the task. ;-) Regards, Noal

On Thu, 22 May 2003 22:32:36 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> scrawled: >In message <baj1bc$k74$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Gomi no Sensei ><go...@panix.com> writes: >>Have years of media coverage of the Royal Family destroyed all >>ability to tell 'pretty' from 'icky' across the pond? > >Yes. > >See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm > >Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. is it just me, or does the 2nd picture look a heck of a lot like, say, some 7 cap giovannis from final nights? [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <kj4rcvgd7usog0feb...@4ax.com>, salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes: >>See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm >> >>Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. > >is it just me, or does the 2nd picture look a heck of a lot like, say, >some 7 cap giovannis from final nights? I don't care to think what you're suggesting he's done with his mother's corpse. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 23 May 2003 10:36:46 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> scrawled: >In message <kj4rcvgd7usog0feb...@4ax.com>, salem ><salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes: >>>See, for instance, the new stamps we're getting: >>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3017967.stm >>> >>>Such astonishingly bad pictures of him. >> >>is it just me, or does the 2nd picture look a heck of a lot like, say, >>some 7 cap giovannis from final nights? > >I don't care to think what you're suggesting he's done with his mother's >corpse. sold it to the tabloids? [ quoted text not captured ]

> >>- LSJ, I WANT/NEED to be a pre-tester !! Pretty please with blood on top ? > >>I'm the first one to ask... ;-) > >> > > And here goes nothing: > > LSJ, I would also like to be considered for a playtester if at all > > possible! I would be greatly honored to receive such a vote of > > confidence. I second this motion ;-) > > Thanks for the offers, but we've got playtesting well covered already. While we're on this interesting subject: how many playtesters are there? And where do they come from? Will they be featuring in a future Inconnu set? questions, questions.. greetz Jo

galama...@hotmail.com (Uriel) wrote in message news:<e8b60e8d.03052...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] WTF? I just opened my boosters and I was horrified. The artwork of Velya is HORRIBLE!!! It has nothing to do with the RP artwork, which is good, actually perfect compared to the piece of crap in the CCG. Why not use the original (made by Shy and appeared in Children of the Night)? Aris

In message <e8b60e8d.03052...@posting.google.com>, Uriel <galama...@hotmail.com> writes: >WTF? I just opened my boosters and I was horrified. The artwork of >Velya is HORRIBLE!!! It has nothing to do with the RP artwork, which >is good, actually perfect compared to the piece of crap in the CCG. > >Why not use the original (made by Shy and appeared in Children of the >Night)? It's worth bearing in mind that many companies only licence artwork for specific purposes e.g. I buy the use of this for the cover, but the artist is still entitled to use it. [ quoted text not captured ]