Dark Sovereigns

When will Dark Sovereigns be released? Does anybody know what the new Necromancy cards will be like? What is the release after that, that will contain the Setites? Can somebodyy send me a copy of the Official Tourny Rules? Can I think of any more Questions? Craig

The release date of Dark Sovereigns is Nov. 29th. Necromancy cards will tend to mess around with the ash heap, as you might imagine. Assamites and Followers of Set will be in the next expansion. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <49819g$q...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > The release date of Dark Sovereigns is Nov. 29th. Necromancy cards will > tend to mess around with the ash heap, as you might imagine. Assamites and > Followers of Set will be in the next expansion. > well, this sounds pretty darn cool to me. hot damn!! -greg zuvich -- 邢 唷��

In article <49819g$q...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: >The release date of Dark Sovereigns is Nov. 29th. When will they be released uin the UK? Necromancy cards will >tend to mess around with the ash heap, as you might imagine. what sort of abilities will necromancy allow Assamites and >Followers of Set will be in the next expansion. Presumably Quietus and serpentis will be in this expansion also? Ben.

kri...@nyc.pipeline.com (Scott Alex) writes: > I purchased ten booster packs and only got FIVE chimestry cards! > How much money does one have to spend to even attempt creating a new >deck. Without trading, probably a lot. With Jyhad, if you didn't trade, you needed at least a box for any decent deck (and 2 was better). With Jyhad you could trade to a good deck with much less, but I don't know if that's the case with DS. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

I purchased ten booster packs and only got FIVE chimestry cards! How much money does one have to spend to even attempt creating a new deck. On the other hand, I've now got an Inner Circle member for each Camarilla clan (that's a capacity 11 vamp w/+2 bleed, 4 votes and other goodies). . -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ olfgang

In article <49819g$q...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: > >The release date of Dark Sovereigns is Nov. 29th. Necromancy cards will >tend to mess around with the ash heap This is one aspect of the game that M:t$ had and Jyhad did not. I liked the idea of once something was in the ash heap you didn't have to worry too much about seeing it again (unless they had another copy in their deck). Hopefully this will not upset the balance too much. (I have seen magic decks based entirely on manipulation of the graveyard). I guess I won't know what the cards will be like until they're out and I'm hoping for the best. :-) ~Biomechanoid

Well I bought 6 packs today, and I was happy with most of them. There are some though that I think will throw game balance to those who have bought the new cards. I want to compile a list of the new cards, but I will not have the money to buy many. So I was thinking that if everybody sends me e-mail detailing a few cards, we could have a complete list in a week or two. So either post the card details here, in a reply to the next message from me. Or e-mail me at ddmc...@oakland.edu. Hope to hear from you all. Shawn McCollum

I just purchased some DS and they are pretty cool but there will be some explaining needed on some of the cards.(ie. Pack of garou cost 4 3 hand damage,cant be affected by melee wepons:The Renegade Garou is much better.For 5 you get 1 manuver,2 hand damage,extra strike,and a +1 staealth attack.)oopps..the RG also regenerates..so why pay 1 less and get hardly nothing..owell

In article <49k1kq$1...@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com>, kri...@nyc.pipeline.com (Scott Alex) wrote: > I purchased ten booster packs and only got FIVE chimestry cards! > How much money does one have to spend to even attempt creating a new deck. I bought 3 boosters and got 3 Chimestry and 4 Necromancy cards, with a Chimestry master. Maybe you got unlucky with the distribution.... _______________ Ethan Burrow et...@ddg.com _______________

I see this corresponding with Card resrtictions,why have to many copies of one card when you can get them back when you need them with the playing of another. Errol

In article <49n5a7$b...@news.iastate.edu>, kle...@iastate.edu (Kleric of the Lamp) says: > >ok, i'm totaly konfused, are there rares in DS? >if so, where are they at in the pack? >i've gotten 10 packs so far and really kouldn't tell if there was a rare >slot in the pack or not. I'm with you. I don't think there are any rares. Only 3 uncommon (first 3), 4 vampires, and 8 commons per booster. Greg

ok, i'm totaly konfused, are there rares in DS? if so, where are they at in the pack? i've gotten 10 packs so far and really kouldn't tell if there was a rare slot in the pack or not. thanx Kleric kle...@iastate.edu

In article <49k1kq$1...@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com>, kri...@nyc.pipeline.com (Scott Alex) writes: > On the other hand, I've now got an Inner Circle member for each >Camarilla clan (that's a capacity 11 vamp w/+2 bleed, 4 votes and other >goodies). Would you mind posting or mailing me the stats & names of the IC vamps? I am particularly interested in the Gangrel IC member. ~Biomechanoid

Do Dark Sovereign cards have a little symbol to identify them (like all the M:t$ cards)?

I went to my local game store and asked if they had Dark Sovereigns and they thought I didn't know what I was talking about. "Sure it's already released, they keep saying it will and then don't". You'd think in Washington state (home of WotC) someone could find some DS in Seattle. For now I'm in the dark... ~Biomechanoid

Yes, all DS cards have a cute little symbol in the upper right hand corner, but I can't identify what it is. Please advise if you are more perceptive (superior auspex?). chick...@msn.com

i always thought the symbol was a pair of stained glass windows, as are common in European Gothic churches, with a black moon (?) inbetween. -- Randy R. Gallegos Green Meese Studio plu...@hooked.net

[ quoted text not captured ] A circle above a pair of church windows. J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> PGP keys by request Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

In article <49mkf2$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, biom...@aol.com (Biomech8) wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Harrod of the Nosferatu has four superior (clan plus Celerity), Auspex and Presence at normal, and lets you peek at one of your prey's uncontrolled vampires in untap. [ quoted text not captured ]

Chick...@msn.com (Chick Lewis) wrote: >Yes, all DS cards have a cute little symbol in the upper right hand >corner, but I can't identify what it is. Please advise if you are >more perceptive (superior auspex?). It's a pretty little trio of stained-glass windows, much like the point-of-purchase display that you may have seen hanging in your local game shop. Nice touch that it's in the upper _right_ corner, properly placing it out of any place that important information needed during play would go. And kudos to the VTES design team for _finally_ putting discipline symbols on the discipline master cards! Scoundrel (superior auspex--and you should see my potence!)

Sttanislava - Inner circle (4 votes) retainers employed by a minion opposing stanislava lose their abilities until the end of combat. Allies cannot block Stanislava. +2 bleed. superior: dominate,celerity,amimalism, protean, fortitude. Chick...@msn.com

Hi Greg, On 4 Dec 1995, Greg Zuvich wrote: > It was selling on an average pace here (Eugene, OR) and lots of places around > here still have a lot of the cards left. I happen to think they did a bang up > good job with DS... accept for the Malkavian Inner Circle member Lefrano or > whatever that name was. Anyone interested in trading DS cards? > > -- > Greg Zuvich |gzu...@symantec.com > I'll trade DS with you. Emerald City just sold out, I don't know about Gateway. I need two more Giovanni.... Algustas *****One of the greatest disservices you can do a man is to lend him money that he can't pay back.***** Jesse H. Jones

Chick Lewis (Chick...@msn.com) wrote: : Yes, all DS cards have a cute little symbol in the upper right hand : corner, but I can't identify what it is. Please advise if you are : more perceptive (superior auspex?). : chick...@msn.com I belive that the sybol is that of a cathedral window like the one that is on the box that holds the booster. as for the little thinng between the two windows I have yet to devine its identity. -- ||||||| BRAD /\ wa...@nevada.edu |^_.^ _^|. o O (all I did was smoke) /vvvvvvvvvvvv \-----------------------C\[@]-[@]/)-------, ____ `^^^^^^^^^^^^ /========================| : U .:|=======" / /\ WARD \/ wa...@cs.unlv.edu `.(===):' ( ==/=*~) \---/ \/____/

In article <49qfsl$o...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, biom...@aol.com (Biomech8) wrote: > Do Dark Sovereign cards have a little symbol to identify them (like all > the M:t$ cards)? Yes they do. I think it is supposed to be a stained glass window. Bunny

In article <49vs5a$a...@news.nevada.edu>, BRADLEY WARD <wa...@nevada.edu> wrote: >Chick Lewis (Chick...@msn.com) wrote: >: Yes, all DS cards have a cute little symbol in the upper right hand >: corner, but I can't identify what it is. Please advise if you are >: more perceptive (superior auspex?). >I belive that the sybol is that of a cathedral window like the one that >is on the box that holds the booster. as for the little thinng between >the two windows I have yet to devine its identity. It would be another window, a rosette (sp?). Yours Lutz l...@cs.tu-berlin.de -- Happiness? - - - Roger Taylor

Algustas <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes: >On 4 Dec 1995, Greg Zuvich wrote: >>It was selling on an average pace here (Eugene, OR) and lots of places around >>here still have a lot of the cards left. I happen to think they did a bang up >>good job with DS... accept for the Malkavian Inner Circle member Lefrano or >>whatever that name was. Anyone interested in trading DS cards? >> -- >> Greg Zuvich |gzu...@symantec.com > I'll trade DS with you. Emerald City just sold out, I don't know >about Gateway. I need two more Giovanni.... > Algustas Just having completed my order of five boxes of DS from a distributor (or reseller at least), I can say that he said that he has been surprised by the amount of DS movig. After a year of OK Jyhad sales which look REALLY BAD in the light of Mt$ sales, and a few weeks of very light V:TES sales, I would suspect because new players aren't all that frequent and we who play Jyhad have more than enough cards. I get the feeling that everyone who bought Jyhad cards and is still playing, is getting a box of DS cards. BTW in two days, I'll be trading DS with anyone who needs it. Stu -- "I would expect such logic from a poet." -- Londo (to Shaal Mayan), "The War Prayer"

In article <4a4thv$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) writes: >From: curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) >Subject: Re: Dark Sovereigns >Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:13:51 -0500 >biom...@aol.com (Biomech8) writes: >>In article <4a3ig2$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) >writes: >>>Has anyone else noticed that DS cards look MUCH cooler than the V:TES >>>cards because they don't have that red line running around the border? >>I'm curious why the line is not on the DS vampires. >The line signifies an "unlimited printing" card. DS has a limited print >run, while WotC reserves the right to print more regular V:tES. >Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com) I think the line comes as a comprimise from way back when we were fearing that they would get _WHITE_ borders. Imaging how that would have looked. Marty Runyon (mru...@ucla.edu)

In article <4a3ig2$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) writes: >Has anyone else noticed that DS cards look MUCH cooler than the V:TES >cards because they don't have that red line running around the border? I noticed this tonight infact when I put Raven next to Chandler. I'm curious why the line is not on the DS vampires. A friend suggested that perhaps the expansion was made before the V:TES cards were, and if so why did they wait so long to release the expansion? Just something to consider. I doubt they just forgot to put the line around the vampires, and I don't see them dropping them so soon after V:TES was released unless there was complaints. I think I prefer them without the line because the Jyhad border has a 3-D look to it. I'm just curious why the red line was not used in DS. ~Biomechanoid

biom...@aol.com (Biomech8) writes: >In article <4a3ig2$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) writes: >>Has anyone else noticed that DS cards look MUCH cooler than the V:TES >>cards because they don't have that red line running around the border? >I'm curious why the line is not on the DS vampires. The line signifies an "unlimited printing" card. DS has a limited print [ quoted text not captured ]

Has anyone else noticed that DS cards look MUCH cooler than the V:TES cards because they don't have that red line running around the border? I originaly thought that the new cards looked lame, and I still think that the V:TES cards do, but the DS cards are much better, and all because they lost the red border. I hope they keep it off the cards. -Peter D Bakija

In article <49vs5a$a...@news.nevada.edu>, wa...@nevada.edu (BRADLEY WARD) writes: > Chick Lewis (Chick...@msn.com) wrote: > : Yes, all DS cards have a cute little symbol in the upper right hand > : corner, but I can't identify what it is. Please advise if you are > : more perceptive (superior auspex?). > > : chick...@msn.com > > > I belive that the sybol is that of a cathedral window like the one that > is on the box that holds the booster. as for the little thinng between > the two windows I have yet to devine its identity. Actually, the 2 lower 2 objects are cathedral windows, while the black circle is (take your pick of): 1> The sun. Our heroes are vampires, the sun is anathema 2> The moon. Our heroes are vampires, and it is always night 3> An eclipse. Our heroes are vampires, the only time they can see the day is during an eclipse. 4> More stained glass. Circles with your choice of a cross, the virgin mary, or an ecclesiastical scene are common features of cathedrals. # 4 is by far the most likely, but hey, it could be any of them. :) > BRAD /\ wa...@nevada.edu |^_.^ _^|. o O (all I did was smoke) Ritaxis --

The red line around the VTES cards is what is used to mark them as part of the unlimited print run. If a DS card is promoted to VTES, it will also get the line. All this because white borders would look really lame for VTES ;) Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <ethan-30119...@unicorn.ddg.com>, et...@ddg.com (Ethan Burrow) wrote: > In article <49k1kq$1...@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com>, kri...@nyc.pipeline.com > (Scott Alex) wrote: > > > I purchased ten booster packs and only got FIVE chimestry cards! > > How much money does one have to spend to even attempt creating a new deck. > > I bought 3 boosters and got 3 Chimestry and 4 Necromancy cards, with a > Chimestry master. Maybe you got unlucky with the distribution.... A friend and I just split a box of 36 DS boosters yesterday -- I don't know how he faired in this area, but *I* got *not one single* Chimestry skill master card in the *entire* lot. <shrug> I think it's time to trade.... -- Glenn M. Frazier gl...@refinery.com Image Refinery Productions, Inc. http://www.refinery.com 283 Second Street Pike, Suite 130 Voice: +1 (215) 634 4590 Southampton, PA 18966 U.S.A. FAX: +1 (215) 634 4591

I've got some card of Dark Sovereigns and WOW! Very powerfull(too much???) Here come's some example(please, be seated!): Nikolaus Vermeulen Nosferatu 7 Prince of Brussels Fortitude, Obfuscate, Animalism, Sup. Potence During your untap phase, you may move 1 blood from Nikolaus to any uncontrolled Nosferatu. Donal O'Connor Brujah 8 Prince of Duplin Sup. Potence, Sup. Celerity, Sup. Dominate Any vampire blocking Donal burns 1 blood before combat begins. Arika Ventrue 11 Inner Circle Sup. Dominate, Sup. Presence, Sup. Fortitude, Sup. Obfuscate Celerity, Auspex +2 Bleed If Arika ready during your prey's untap phase, your prey chooses witch locations he or she keeps in play. For each location he or she controls, your prey burns 1 pool or burns the location. So, what do you think of the new vamp?? E-Mail:cro...@megatoon.com WEB page: http://www.megatoon.com/~cromag/jyhad

Biomech8 wrote: > > In article <4a3ig2$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) writes: > >Has anyone else noticed that DS cards look MUCH cooler than the V:TES > >cards because they don't have that red line running around the border? > > I noticed this tonight infact when I put Raven next to Chandler. I'm > curious why the line is not on the DS vampires. A friend suggested that > perhaps the expansion was made before the V:TES cards were, and if so why > did they wait so long to release the expansion? Just something to > consider. I doubt they just forgot to put the line around the vampires, > and I don't see them dropping them so soon after V:TES was released unless > there was complaints. I think I prefer them without the line because the > Jyhad border has a 3-D look to it. I'm just curious why the red line was > not used in DS. The "Red Line" is the "White Border" from Magic, but since a white border would REALLY look bad on a Vampire game, they used the Red Line. Cards of an "Unlimited" or "Revised" print will have the Red Line, whereas cards of a "Limited Print" (such as Jhyad, or DS) will not. This way, if DS ever gets reprinted or added to a new revision of V:TES, it will have the Red Line to distinguish it from the rest. (The symbol is not enough - note that the Chronicles cards from M:tG are white bordered and "unlimited," but still have the symbols.) -- Geoffrey "Gofe" Schaller "Laugh, and the world laughs with you dr...@libertynet.org Weep, and you weep alone. 1831 Canterbury Road For the sad old Earth Abington, PA 19001 Must borrow its mirth (215) 886-7999 But has troubles enough of its own." http://www.libertynet.org/~drake/