Hey Folks,
For anyone who might be interested, I have a bunch of my VTES work in
ACEO (Art Cards Editions and Originals, 2.5" x 3.5") format up on ebay
right now . Starting bid of only 99 cents. Here's the link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZshamansoulstudios
Also, I want to thank everyone so much for nominating both Liquefy and
Joseph Pander for best art. Another big thank you for voting Liquefy
for best art. Obviously, yes, I did use Avril as my reference. I
really couldn't have cared less that it was Avril....it was just a
great shot of someone screaming that I happened to have in my
"morgue". Sure, I could have just used my husband to model for me,
but honestly, he's not the best model in the world, and any friends
that I would have used would have had to travel at least an hour to
get to me (or vice versa)....plus I really wouldn't consider any of my
friends good vampire material.
Anyone who illustrates professionally knows that time is of the
essence when it comes to getting references, sketches etc. so that one
can work on the final piece of artwork and meet deadlines. Me, I'm
slow as hell, when it comes to sketching, and painting for that
matter. Granted, the majority of the time I "frankenstein" my
references together so that they don't look like the source material.
As it happens, Liquefy did. If anyone would like to offer up any
decent reference photos of themselves as vamps, I'd happily accept
them. Any submissions can be sent to: hea...@shamansoulstudios.com.
I can't guarantee you that I'll use them, but I will promise to try.
Take it easy,
Heather
If anyone would like to offer up any
> decent reference photos of themselves as vamps, I'd happily accept> them. Any submissions can be sent to: heat...@shamansoulstudios.com.> I can't guarantee you that I'll use them, but I will promise to try.
>
> Take it easy,
> Heather
Heather, you're going to have a lot of friends around here ^^
On Mar 12, 4:46 pm, HVKreiter <shamansoulstud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> (etc., etc.)
>
> Take it easy,
> Heather
Cool. Good to see some of the artists around. The last I remember
was in 19-ninety-something when Quinton Hoover dropped a few messages
to stick up for the beating that Drew Tucker's art was taking. =)
I put in some bids on your prints on ebay - I don't expect to win any
of them, but at least hopefully it will get the bidding started. I
hate it (either buying or selling) when people use their sniping-
programs to wait till the last second to put in a bid.
On Mar 12, 10:21 pm, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> I put in some bids on your prints on ebay - I don't expect to win any
> of them, but at least hopefully it will get the bidding started. I
> hate it (either buying or selling) when people use their sniping-
> programs to wait till the last second to put in a bid.
Sniping-programs?!! And all this time I've been waiting for the last
minute to try to win something I really want, damn!
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I expect her mailbox to be full by about now....
but I hope not cause i'm going to go and try and find a cool vampirey
pic of me...*cough*fanboyism*ego*
--
salem
(replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)
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god no. photos of me now that i'm old, bald, and crusty? I don't think
so. I'm going to delve into the depths of history for something with
class....and waaay too much white foundation.
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HVKreiter schrieb:
> If anyone would like to offer up any
> decent reference photos of themselves as vamps, I'd happily accept
> them. Any submissions can be sent to: hea...@shamansoulstudios.com.
> I can't guarantee you that I'll use them, but I will promise to try.
I checked the auctions. Can I also apply as a faerie lesbian pinup
model? :-)
On Mar 13, 11:57 am, Johannes Walch <johannes.wa...@vekn.de> wrote:
>
> I checked the auctions. Can I also apply as a faerie lesbian pinup
> model? :-)
You can apply as aaaaaaanything you want =0)
I want to thank everyone so much for the great photos that you've been
sending! I really hope I have an opportunity to use some of them,
please keep 'em coming! Don't be shy about sending in large images
either. The bigger/higher res the images are, the more I'll be able
to capture you.
Also, I forgot to mention, if I use you as a reference you get a
signed #1 print free of charge.
Thanks again!
Heather
Salem wrote:
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Hah dude what are you talking about?? They've already done a card
based on you. Paul Cordwood!!
(I just realised it... but now I think about it, it's uncanny!!)
On Mar 13, 2:05 am, Churchy La Femme <lordportish...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Yes, they exist. Although sniping-websites might be more accurate.
It's still a bunch of BS. You don't have to wait until the last
minute to win something, you can put in the maximum that you want to
bid at any time. Waiting until the last minute is the coward's
way! ;) Not to mention some of us occasionally have to go to work.
Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> I hate it (either buying or selling) when people use their> sniping-programs to wait till the last second to put in a bid.
Just curious, but why? You wish to bid on ItemX, you place a bid for the
maximum you are willing to pay, you go away, end. Is this not how you bid
on eBay? If not, please explain. I'd be interested in your alternative
strategy.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
On Mar 14, 4:23 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> Just curious, but why? You wish to bid on ItemX, you place a bid for the
> maximum you are willing to pay, you go away, end. Is this not how you bid
> on eBay? If not, please explain. I'd be interested in your alternative
> strategy.
While I completely agree with you in this theory (i.e., when I bid,
I'll say "Huh. I'll pay $2.00 for that." and I'll bid $2.00 for it and
be done with it, and either win or lose, no more bidding), that being
said, a lot of people are pretty much always willing to pay "the
maximum I was willing to pay, plus .25", so being able to jump in at
the last second is helpful, as while, yeah, you were only really
willing to pay $5.00 for something, in reality, if you can get it for
$5.25 or whatever, that's ok too. But if you bid $5.25 originally, the
person beating you would be up to $5.50, so you'd have to go to $5.75
(or whatever) to beat them.
-Peter
[ quoted text not captured ]> them. Any submissions can be sent to: heat...@shamansoulstudios.com.> I can't guarantee you that I'll use them, but I will promise to try.
>
> Take it easy,
> Heather
Plan on selling the originals anytime soon?
Vegas gNat
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If you'll go to 5.25, then enter that.
If you'll go to 5.75 at quarter at a time, then enter that.
If you'll always go an extra .25 no matter how high the bidding, then the sniper
is doing you a favor by saving you from paying $1,000 more a quarter at a time.
The quarter-at-a-time strategy only benefits the seller.
In article <sJFCj.3359$Rq1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> If you'll always go an extra .25 no matter how high the bidding, then the
> sniper
> is doing you a favor by saving you from paying $1,000 more a quarter at a
> time.
You don't always go an extra .25 no matter how high the bidding. That is
just stupid. A lot of folks like being able to get in at the last
second, and outbid the person bidding you, as often someone will just
beat your high bid, so you can end up getting it for slightly more than
your original high bid. Which is something that folks are often willing
to do. Which is why they like trying to get the item at the last
possible second.
> The quarter-at-a-time strategy only benefits the seller.
If the "quarter at a time" strategy is an endless chain of "Oh! I can
bid an extra quarter" for an infinite time, then yes, you are correct.
If the "quarter at a time" strategy is you bidding when the auction ends
in 20 seconds, when your $5.00 bid was being beat by a $5.25, and you
can swoop in and get it for $5.50, then you end up getting the item you
wanted for not much more than you originally planned to pay.
This is why folks like trying to bid at the last second. 'Cause if you
wanted to pay $5.00 for something, you often can suck it up and get it
for $5.50. Not 'cause they intend on sitting on the page and rebidding
by a quarter for 6 hours till their $5.00 bid is now $45.00. I mean,
yeah, people do that. And it is dumb. But that isn't what I'm talking
about.
Peter D Bakija
pd...@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html
"Find hungry samurai."
-The Old Man
Peter D Bakija wrote:
> In article <sJFCj.3359$Rq1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>>> If you'll always go an extra .25 no matter how high the bidding, then the
>> sniper
>> is doing you a favor by saving you from paying $1,000 more a quarter at a
>> time.>
> You don't always go an extra .25 no matter how high the bidding.
Exactly. See the rest of my post, which you snipped.
To recap: figure out what you're willing to go to (i.e., your maximum bid), and
enter that as your maximum bid.
If you want, you can also apply the knowledge that not all eBay users are
willing to do that analysis, and so, to save yourself some money, you enter your
bid later rather than sooner. The successive application of that last bit brings
you to the point that you enter your bid (which is still the same true maximum
bid you would've entered to start) at the last second.
>> The quarter-at-a-time strategy only benefits the seller.>
> If the "quarter at a time" strategy is an endless chain of "Oh! I can
> bid an extra quarter" for an infinite time, then yes, you are correct.
It is correct even if you don't have an endless chain.
It doesn't benefit you. It either benefits no one or it benefits the seller.
> If the "quarter at a time" strategy is you bidding when the auction ends
> in 20 seconds, when your $5.00 bid was being beat by a $5.25, and you
> can swoop in and get it for $5.50, then you end up getting the item you
> wanted for not much more than you originally planned to pay.
If you're smart, that's the "enter your maximum bid" strategy taken to its
logical conclusion. Not the quarter-at-a-time strategy.
If you're only bidding a quarter-at-a-time at the last second (rather than your
true maximum bid), then you're losing out on some of the auctions you would've
won. Not smart.
> This is why folks like trying to bid at the last second. 'Cause if you
> wanted to pay $5.00 for something, you often can suck it up and get it
> for $5.50. Not 'cause they intend on sitting on the page and rebidding
> by a quarter for 6 hours till their $5.00 bid is now $45.00. I mean,
> yeah, people do that. And it is dumb. But that isn't what I'm talking
> about.
Either you enter your maximum bid as your maximum bid (the "maximum bid"
strategy) or you enter something less (the "quarter-at-a-time" strategy) and
hope you've got enough time to correct it if someone outbids you.
In article <7tUCj.64926$Pv2....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> To recap: figure out what you're willing to go to (i.e., your maximum bid),
> and enter that as your maximum bid.
That is what Kevin suggested, and he was confused why someone would do
otherwise. I was explaining the logic that folks follow that leads them
to want to bid at the last second.
> It doesn't benefit you. It either benefits no one or it benefits the seller.
If you get the thing you want for money you were willing to pay, then it
benefits you as well. If what you were willing to pay is .50 more than
you bid, as long as you are willing to try and get the thing at the last
second, then it works out well for everyone.
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>
> Plan on selling the originals anytime soon?
>
> Vegas gNat
Was this question directed at me? If so, the only original that I
have left is the sketch for Phaedyme. I've sold every other piece
I've done.
Heather
On Mar 14, 4:23 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> Just curious, but why? You wish to bid on ItemX, you place a bid for the
> maximum you are willing to pay, you go away, end. Is this not how you bid
> on eBay? If not, please explain. I'd be interested in your alternative
> strategy.
The thing about eBay is that it looks like an English auction to most
people, but it's really much closer to a Vickrey. This means that
there's pretty much an endless supply of bidders that are making bad
assumptions about the game theory involved.
To clarify, an English auction system is the one most people are
familiar with. A caller keeps track of the highest bid, which is
openly available. Bidders can give a higher bid at any time, and the
bidding ends when no one is willing to bid higher. In other words,
very much like the eBay system appears, except that on eBay bidding
ends *at a specific time* not when willing bidders stop, and that
changes everything.
A Vickrey auction is a sealed bid auction. None of the bidders see
the other's bids, the winner is the one which makes the highest bid
but that person only has to pay the amount of the second highest bid.
Note that proxy bids on eBay act as a form of sealed bid, and that
Vickrey auctions also end at a specified time.
The eBay auction system is a Vickrey auction, only the bids aren't
perfectly sealed and the winner typically ends up paying "one
increment" more than the second bid (although in some cases the winner
pays less than that, right down to the amount of the second bid
itself).
What does this all mean as far as strategy? Since it's a mostly like
a Vickrey, the idea that you should bid the most you want to pay is
the correct approach... in fact, you should add a random number of
cents you wouldn't mind going over by, because you aren't confined to
bidding just on the intervals themselves (and by doing so, you gain a
chance of beating a bidder with the same appraisal as yourself by a
penny).
However, it is incorrect to simply bid early and then walk away...
that exposes information about your bid (one of the key differences
between eBay and Vickrey) to the other bidders. Given that there are
always bidders on eBay that think it's like an English system, there
will almost always be someone who will "feel out" your bid and bump it
up one increment at a time in an attempt to hold that "highest bid".
There's a good chance on small items like cards, that they will outbid
you by pennies (because, again, you don't have to bid exactly on
increments of $.25, you can just as easily bid $.26). Even if they
don't, later bidders will have a much better impression of your bid
making you prone to losing by pennies to someone with the same
evaluation but who waited till near the end to snipe. The advantage
is always to the bidder that bids late, because their bid is the most
sealed... other bidders will not get information or the ability to
respond. So the correct strategy for eBay is to bid what you're
willing to pay (randomized a bit) at the latest possible
opportunity... which if followed by everybody, does turn the auction
into a Vickrey with the only difference being in the amount payed
(which is a small difference).
There is another real danger about exposing your bidding information
early even if you do win by bidding your appraisal and walking away.
It's often the case that you pay more (sometimes a lot more, if you
thought the opening bid was particularly cheap compared to your value)
than you had to. The reason being those bidders that will feel out
your bid, one increment at a time if you allow them. They're always
around... as are those English auction bidders that always want to be
highest bid (which means *nothing* on eBay except at the very end).
If you just leave those bidders alone, the bid price on items tends to
stay lower (except in cases where you get two "king of the hill"
bidders that get into an insane bidding war... at which point you just
sit back and watch the show to see how ridiculous it will get)...
sniping at the end often catches them off guard and you typically can
win an item for much closer to that cheap opening price than if you
had exposed your bid early and allowed the novices to push the game
right up near the max. Sure, in either case you don't pay more than
what you were *willing* to pay... however, why encourage situations
where you end up paying more than you *have* to (and you will
regularly end up paying more if you always bid your max early).
There's an easy way to sum this up:
> "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
> you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
In other words, know what your max value is and keep to it, watch the
item to see what your opponents are doing and for any information they
expose, don't expose your own information, and most importantly avoid
getting entangled with those that don't know what they're doing (just
crush them at the end if the bid's still lower than you'll pay).
If everyone bid what they wanted to pay at the last second eBay would
be better for all buyers. The endless supply of novices and people
that don't understand that (including those that bid their max early)
are what makes it much better for sellers.
Brent Ross
Peter D Bakija wrote:
> In article <7tUCj.64926$Pv2....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:>> It doesn't benefit you. It either benefits no one or it benefits the seller.>
> If you get the thing you want for money you were willing to pay, then it
> benefits you as well.
Except that this is "no benefit" over the other strategy (namely: entering your
proper maximum bid at the appropriate time), since that would do the same.
Moreover, as per this thread's existence, it leaves you vulnerable to sniping.
Meaning that by not entering your maximum bid, you increase the likelyhood of
you not getting what you want at the price you were willing to pay ("decrease"
with compared to the other strategy of entering your maximum bid as your maximum
bid).
bwross <bwr...@mail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 4:23 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:>> Just curious, but why? You wish to bid on ItemX, you place a bid
>> for the maximum you are willing to pay, you go away, end. Is this
>> not how you bid on eBay? If not, please explain. I'd be interested
>> in your alternative strategy.
[snip eBay bidding strategy & smarty-pants Sun Tzu analysis]
Brent, I bow to your well-though out reasoning. Thanks for completely
answering the question, as well as your gentle and good-natured ribbing.
=)
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
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Indeed, thanks Brent! This is a very smart analysis about people who
make dumb decisions, which is what makes Ebay so profitable for
buyers :-).
In general, you can't just bid and walk away, unless you either leave
an inflated bid or you are bidding on something most other people do
not care about. I would say that over 85% of the time that I bid
early, I lose the auction if I do not return to it, because of either
sniping programs or some lurker who bids up past my initial bid. Even
at the end, you have to either bid a bit higher than you want or leave
a random amount above the next bid to increase your chances of
winning. Of course, that does not account for two other factors on
Ebay: currency strength and crazy. I find that more bidders from
lands with currencies more robust than our current sucky dollar will
bid what is quite high to me but probably not so for them. Damn you
European Union and your sensible fiscal policies!! But, in the end, I
am not sure there is a viable strategy for dealing with that, or for
dealing with nutcases who punch in some insane amount at the end
because they MUST HAVE IT!
Despite that, in this environment, I think that Brent's analysis
guides us towards smarter bidding practices. Thanks again!
Cheers,
John Ginsberg-Stevens
demonturtle wrote:
> Of course, that does not account for two other factors on
> Ebay: currency strength and crazy. I find that more bidders from
> lands with currencies more robust than our current sucky dollar will
> bid what is quite high to me but probably not so for them. Damn you
> European Union and your sensible fiscal policies!! But, in the end, I
> am not sure there is a viable strategy for dealing with that
Vote appropriately...
best -
chris
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