Secure Haven / Undirected Actions

Googled, didn't see an answer, so... My Stanislava has a secure haven on her, but foolishly gets sent into torpor anyway during a combat. Now, normally, if one of my minions attempts to rescue or diablerize another one of my minions, that's an undirected action -- my prey/predator can block. So, the question is: Can my own minions rescue or diablerize Stanislava, or is still considered a (D) action? --Colin McGuigan

[ quoted text not captured ] The haven is burned when Stanislave foolishly got sent to torpor. Card text:"Burn this card if this minion enters torpor." But rescuing your own vampire is not directed, correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3FAFA4C6...@white-wolf.com... > Colin McGuigan wrote: > > Googled, didn't see an answer, so... > > > > My Stanislava has a secure haven on her, but foolishly gets sent into > > torpor anyway during a combat. > > > > Now, normally, if one of my minions attempts to rescue or diablerize > > another one of my minions, that's an undirected action -- my > > prey/predator can block. > > > > So, the question is: Can my own minions rescue or diablerize Stanislava, > > or is still considered a (D) action? > > The haven is burned when Stanislave foolishly got sent to torpor. > Card text:"Burn this card if this minion enters torpor." > > But rescuing your own vampire is not directed, correct. Also note that, while Stanislava doesn't keep her Secure Haven if sent to torpor, you can play a Secure Haven on a Stanislava who is *already* in torpor and it won't burn itself. (Card text only requires being played on a minion you control, not a *ready* minion.) And then it would matter that your own rescue/diablerie attempts are not directed. (This actually mattered in a game I played a while ago, where my prey played Secure Haven on a vamp he had in torpor and then was sad because his cross-table ally was prohibited from rescuing the vampire, which he would otherwise have done to help him out. :-) Just FYI, the "actions that affect your own stuff are undirected" rule is in the rulebook: 6.2.2 section 1 "Who May Attempt to Block". Josh don't think i'd noticed before that you can secure havenize allies... might be nice to keep your war ghoul "secure" from entrancement. heh.

>don't think i'd noticed before that you can secure havenize allies... >might be nice to keep your war ghoul "secure" from entrancement. heh. Isn't that why they invented Lobotomy. Sure, your War Ghoul is a whole lot "slower" than normal but at least he's immune to Entrancement. Or you can pay the 3 pool and try to withstrand the humiliation as you actually play with True Faith... Halcyan 2

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031110105535...@mb-m07.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] then someone steals the War Ghoul with restructure...

[ quoted text not captured ] Humiliation? Personally, I'd be in awe of somebody who made good use of a "War Ghoul of the Cloth" deck. Matt Morgan Now for your last rites, bitch!

>> Isn't that why they invented Lobotomy. Sure, your War Ghoul is a whole lot >> "slower" than normal but at least he's immune to Entrancement. Or you can >pay >> the 3 pool and try to withstrand the humiliation as you actually play with >True >> Faith... > >Humiliation? Personally, I'd be in awe of somebody who made good use of a >"War Ghoul of the Cloth" deck. > >Matt Morgan > >Now for your last rites, bitch! Actually I've always wanted to try a True Faith on a Succubus, to sort of mimic Fall-From-Grace from Planescape: Torment. Halcyan 2

Has anyone come up with a use of True Faith? It stops Grave Robbing, Far Mastery, entrancement, and oh look it's rare. "Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031110112558...@mb-m07.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

>Has anyone come up with a use of True Faith? > >It stops Grave Robbing, Far Mastery, entrancement, and oh look it's rare. Outside of theme decks, not really. The only real use I can see it for is as meta against Baali. So if someone in your local playgroup runs a nasty Great Beast deck, a little Faith will go a long way in protecting you. Halcyan 2

On 10 Nov 2003 17:58:26 GMT, halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] I run both True Faith and Secure haven in my Hunter deck, to stop them being stolen. (Muddles and Wendell at main minions, other hunter cards as flavour that's also useful...eg: Millicent (mostly i am just acting with allies, so no fear for me)). True faith's only 1 pool for mortals, so it's a lot like a secure haven. and there was this one game where my prey was playing Baali....boy did Wendell enjoy getting righteous with those guys. Maneuver to long, 2R agg, and Oh! you can't hurt me back. and you can't try and block with sargon when i rush Huitzl, because of the rest of that text on TF. :) salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

> >Outside of theme decks, not really. The only real use I can see it for is as > >meta against Baali. So if someone in your local playgroup runs a nasty Great > >Beast deck, a little Faith will go a long way in protecting you. > > I run both True Faith and Secure haven in my Hunter deck, to stop them > being stolen. (Muddles and Wendell at main minions, other hunter cards > as flavour that's also useful...eg: Millicent (mostly i am just acting > with allies, so no fear for me)). True faith's only 1 pool for > mortals, so it's a lot like a secure haven. I'm quite curious: How did you do to sustain the continuous damage from Wendell? I like this ally, but haven't found yet a succesfull way to use it preperly. Sure, chantry is the option, but don't know how it fits in. > > and there was this one game where my prey was playing Baali....boy did > Wendell enjoy getting righteous with those guys. Maneuver to long, 2R > agg, and Oh! you can't hurt me back. and you can't try and block with > sargon when i rush Huitzl, because of the rest of that text on TF. :) > Hehe. Should try to add some for the casual games against Damnans :-P [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:54:51 +0100, "Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> scrawled: >> >Outside of theme decks, not really. The only real use I can see it for is >as >> >meta against Baali. So if someone in your local playgroup runs a nasty >Great >> >Beast deck, a little Faith will go a long way in protecting you. >> >> I run both True Faith and Secure haven in my Hunter deck, to stop them >> being stolen. (Muddles and Wendell at main minions, other hunter cards >> as flavour that's also useful...eg: Millicent (mostly i am just acting >> with allies, so no fear for me)). True faith's only 1 pool for >> mortals, so it's a lot like a secure haven. > >I'm quite curious: How did you do to sustain the continuous damage from >Wendell? I like this ally, but haven't found yet a succesfull way to use it >preperly. Sure, chantry is the option, but don't know how it fits in. Malk Hunting Ground is a start. Humanitas, and just allocate the damage to an almost empty guy and rescue him..hunt with two guys a turn (want to do that anyway to bloat with blood dolls)..umm....i'll grab the deck and have a look...rack, a faithful servant (choose the servanted guy to take the damage in untap, he goes to torpor, you get a blood back in minion, to help to be able to be rescued). Nothing too fancy. Lot's of precognizant mobilities and rush cards, though, to make the most out of your hunters. [ quoted text not captured ]