[LSJ] Switchable Infernalism

Howdy, I grepped about a bit, and didn't find anything relevant, so here's the question: A vampire equipped with The Textbook Damnation plays Concordance. Next turn, the vampire doesn't bother to pay the Infernal penalty and so burns the Textbook, losing DAI and the Infernal trait. The vampire can still 'use' the Concordance card, right? I.e. the 'Requires an infernal vampire' line is just a requirement for playing Concordance, not for using it? (With careful use of Freak Drive, that's 1 pool and 1 'lost' untap for Concordance... What a bargain!) Thanks, Alex (Relevant text) Textbook Damnation, The The vampire with this equipment has superior Daimoinon [DAI] and is infernal. Cards that require Daimoinon [dai] cost this vampire 2 less blood to play. During your master phase, if this vampire is tapped, burn this equipment. Concordance Requires an infernal vampire. Put this card on the acting vampire. This vampire treats aggravated damage as normal damage and has +1 strength and -1 stealth.

"wumpus" <wum...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1112996165.0...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Howdy, > > I grepped about a bit, and didn't find anything relevant, so here's the > question: > > A vampire equipped with The Textbook Damnation plays Concordance. Next > turn, the vampire doesn't bother to pay the Infernal penalty and so > burns the Textbook, losing DAI and the Infernal trait. > > The vampire can still 'use' the Concordance card, right? I.e. the > 'Requires an infernal vampire' line is just a requirement for playing > Concordance, not for using it? IANLSJ but I believe the answer is yes. I believe the way you resolve the issue is how the ability is written: "This vampire treats aggravated damage as normal damage..." (and so on. Because the ability is written using the reference to 'this vampire' as opposed to 'this INFERNAL vampire' (or even more restrictive, 'this INFERNAL vampire POSSESSING inferior Daimoinon'), the minion with Concordance played on it may use the abilities as long as it's simply a vampire. An ally 'playing Daimoinon cards as an infernal vampire', for instance, would not be able to use ability once it had played the card on itself. Fred, miserable but still game rules interpreter

Your interpretation is fine. Also consider Valerius Maior, who can play Concordance and then merge, retaining the Concordance but losing the Infernal trait. Eric Simon Prince of Chicago

Frederick Scott wrote: > "wumpus" <wum...@comcast.net> wrote in message >>A vampire equipped with The Textbook Damnation plays Concordance. Next >>turn, the vampire doesn't bother to pay the Infernal penalty and so >>burns the Textbook, losing DAI and the Infernal trait. >> >>The vampire can still 'use' the Concordance card, right? I.e. the >>'Requires an infernal vampire' line is just a requirement for playing >>Concordance, not for using it? > > IANLSJ but I believe the answer is yes. I believe the way you resolve > the issue is how the ability is written: "This vampire treats aggravated > damage as normal damage..." (and so on. Because the ability is written > using the reference to 'this vampire' as opposed to 'this INFERNAL > vampire' (or even more restrictive, 'this INFERNAL vampire POSSESSING > inferior Daimoinon'), the minion with Concordance played on it may > use the abilities as long as it's simply a vampire. An ally 'playing > Daimoinon cards as an infernal vampire', for instance, would not be > able to use ability once it had played the card on itself. Correct. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/