A Familiar Ian question...

Okay...I'm sorry to be bothering you guys with this question...but I want to make sure that what I did was wrong...so I can go apologize to my group for cheating. scenario Ian recruits infernal familiar and uses it to get superior on whatever he wants...granted racking up pathos counters... But I reread both cards and I don't think that combo will work... A) Familiar says a discipline you don't have, It says Ian can play cards as though he has the basic level, which 'might' imply that he doesn't technically have them...you just play cards as though he does. ***that will probably kill it there, but if that goes through...here's the second problem*** B) Master Discipline cards played on him grant him superior of that discipline...Obviously Infernals power isn't a Master discipline card...therefore Ian's effect wouldn't work on granting the superior... Just wondered about some feedback if my reasoning was right and sound...that the combo that I tried in a game would not work...ie- be legal...no matter how much I like the idea of an infernal familiar pet casting demonic ideas to ian...seducing his soul:) thanks in advance Erinus

>Okay...I'm sorry to be bothering you guys with this question...but I >want to make sure that what I did was wrong...so I can go apologize to >my group for cheating. >scenario >Ian recruits infernal familiar and uses it to get superior on whatever >he wants...granted racking up pathos counters... >But I reread both cards and I don't think that combo will work... >A) Familiar says a discipline you don't have, It says Ian can play >cards as though he has the basic level, which 'might' imply that he >doesn't technically have them...you just play cards as though he does. >***that will probably kill it there, but if that goes through...here's >the second problem*** >B) Master Discipline cards played on him grant him superior of that >discipline...Obviously Infernals power isn't a Master discipline >card...therefore Ian's effect wouldn't work on granting the >superior... Doesn't work. Infernal Familiar just duplicates Ian's ability. In fact, it's *bad* for Ian to have an Infernal Familiar because using his ability will indeed put counters on the Familiar. Halcyan 2 BTW: You know how Ian or Infernal Familiar will provide one of the missing disciplines for a multi-discipline card, right? Can you use multiple Infernal Familiars to provide both of the missing disciplines? For example, can Smudge with 2 Infernal Familiars play a Read the Winds? One IF could provide the Auspex while the other IF provided the Animalism. (We'll let him have a dozen Camarilla Vitae Slaves but still no disciplines to make sure poor Smudge doesn't burn!). Halcyan 2

In message <20020218055511...@mb-fo.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 <halc...@aol.com> writes: >BTW: You know how Ian or Infernal Familiar will provide one of the missing >disciplines for a multi-discipline card, right? Can you use multiple Infernal >Familiars to provide both of the missing disciplines? My reading is that you use the ability of the Infernal Familiar to play the card. And I don't think you could play it via two cards at once. -- James Coupe but I lust after the raw pow0r of c. PGP 0x5D623D5D together with the humping great EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 elephant arse of gnome. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D - Vashti

James Coupe wrote: > > In message <20020218055511...@mb-fo.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 > <halc...@aol.com> writes: > >BTW: You know how Ian or Infernal Familiar will provide one of the missing > >disciplines for a multi-discipline card, right? Can you use multiple Infernal > >Familiars to provide both of the missing disciplines? > > My reading is that you use the ability of the Infernal Familiar to play > the card. And I don't think you could play it via two cards at once. Correct. You can use IF to play a card that you're missing a discipline for. Not one that you're missing two disciplines for, even if you plan to make up the other missing discipline later. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/