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[LSJ] Which action cannot be performed more than once per turn ?

5 messages from 5 participants · 19 May 2003
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franck

Is there only bleed actions and Card actions which cannot be performed more than once per turn ? Say, if i play an Ambush, then Freak drive can i play a Bum's Rush ? Assuming Francois Villon could by any means untap once each turn, could he uses his blood stealing capacity twice in the current turn ? One more example to be sure :p If one of my Ravnos is equipped with an Eye of Hazimel, can i use the rush ability of it as many times as i have Freak drives in hand (and survive all fights ;) ? Thanks, Francisco from France

salem

On Mon, 19 May 2003 05:04:02 +0200, "franck" <f.fe...@wanadoo.fr> scrawled: >Is there only bleed actions and Card actions which cannot be performed more >than once per turn ? and political actions. and you need to define card actions as 'action card or card in play' >Say, if i play an Ambush, then Freak drive can i play a Bum's Rush ? yes. they are different cards. >Assuming Francois Villon could by any means untap once each turn, could he >uses his blood stealing capacity twice in the current turn ? no. Francois is a card in play. >One more example to be sure :p > >If one of my Ravnos is equipped with an Eye of Hazimel, can i use the rush >ability of it as many times as i have Freak drives in hand (and survive all >fights ;) ? no. Eye of Hazimel is a card in play. You could however Eye of Hazimel attack, freak drive, Ambush, freak drive, Bum's Rush, freak drive, Harass, freak drive, etc... 'attack a minion' is not a bleed or a political action, so is only limited to not repeating by the cards used to enter combat. from the obscure zone of hidden knowledge known as The Rulebook (Cam ed.)....... 6.1.1 Bleed ... A minion cannot perform more than one bleed action each turn, even if he untaps. 6.1.6 Action Card (or Card in Play) ... A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card or via the same card in play (including from the minion’s own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. 6.1.7 Political Action (+1 stealth) ... A minion cannot perform more than one political action each turn. does that answer the questions? :) salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

The Lasombra

On Mon, 19 May 2003 05:04:02 +0200, "franck" <f.fe...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >Is there only bleed actions and Card actions which cannot be performed more >than once per turn ? Vote. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/ 6.1.1 A minion cannot perform more than one bleed action each turn, even if he untaps. 6.1.6 A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card or via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. 6.1.7 A minion cannot perform more than one political action each turn. >Say, if i play an Ambush, then Freak drive can i play a Bum's Rush ? Absolutely. >Assuming Francois Villon could by any means untap once each turn, could he >uses his blood stealing capacity twice in the current turn ? No. This is an action granted by a card in play (Francois himself), so it cannot be repeated on the same turn. >One more example to be sure :p >If one of my Ravnos is equipped with an Eye of Hazimel, can i use the rush >ability of it as many times as i have Freak drives in hand (and survive all >fights ;) ? No. The rush action is granted by a card in play, so it cannot be repeated on the same turn. See also the FAQ, section 3.19 http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm 3.19 What is the "NRA" or "No Repeat Actions" rule? The NRA or "No Repeat Actions rule" was a rule instituted by the Vampire: Elder Kindred Network for tournament play with constructed decks (ie non-draft non-sealed tournaments). It has since become a part of the base rules for the game. The new base rules incorporate a variation of the No Repeat Actions special floor rule from the V:EKN tournament rules. Instead of restricting repeats by (a sometimes difficult to define) type, a minion cannot bleed twice in a turn take a political action twice in a turn use the same action card twice in a turn take the action allowed by a card in play twice in a turn by the new rules, with no restrictions on, for example, hunting or equipping (assuming the minion can untap, of course). The last item (card in play) includes any special ability the minion may have. As equipment cards (and retainers, and allies) all count as action cards, you may take multiple equip minion actions with the same minion on any given turn, but they cannot be the same piece of equipment. You can: Equip with a Sport Bike, Untap, Equip with a .44 Magnum. You cannot: Equip with a .44 Magnum, Untap, Equip with a second .44 Magnum. An action is only considered to have been taken if it resolves by either being blocked or by being successful. A minion that initiates an action but that action is taken over by another with Mask of a Thousand Faces is not considered to have taken that action and is not prohibited from taking that action later in the turn. An action that is cancelled by Direct Intervention on the card used to begin the action is not considered to have been taken, but the card is considered to have been played. A minion may immediately take the same action or same type of action even though the Direct Intervention was played with the NRA rule. Example 1: A vampire who bleeds his controller's prey via Computer Hacking, then untaps via Freak Drive, cannot perform any bleeding action again, of any kind whatsoever, in that same turn. Example 2: A vampire who takes a Govern the Unaligned action at superior to move 3 blood to an uncontrolled vampire, then untaps via Freak Drive, may not use another Govern the Unaligned card to bleed that turn. That vampire may bleed with any other card or without a card, just not with Govern the Unaligned. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm

DJ.Mik

The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<knngcv0crnqvvnt7o...@4ax.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Furthermore I think that a vampire cancelling it's action with Psychomachia is not considered to have taken that action in the same way as with Mask of Thousand Faces... Dj Mik [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ

DJ.Mik wrote: > Furthermore I think that a vampire cancelling it's action with > Psychomachia is not considered to have taken that action in the same > way as with Mask of Thousand Faces... It is. The action resolves (is blocked). The minion cannot perform that action again (if it is an action whose repetition is prohibited, of course). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/