Blissful Agony vs. Secure Haven

Scenario A: My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven. I hunt (an undirected action) with a minion that has superior Valeren. My predator blocks, and combat occurs. I strike with superior Blissful Agony, and send my opponent to fight the vampire with Secure Haven. Is this legal? I'd say it is - no (D) action has been taken. Scenario B: My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven, as before. I rush my predator (a directed action), strike with superior Blissful Agony, and send my opponent to fight the vamp with Secure Haven. Now, is this legal? Is Blissful Agony's new combat a part of my (D) action? Relevant card texts: Secure Haven [DS:C2, FN:PS, CE:PM, Anarchs:PAB] Cardtype: Master Cost: 1 pool Master: unique location. Haven. Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be affected by (D) actions. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion can have only one haven. Blissful Agony [BL:R1, LoB:R] Cardtype: Combat Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Valeren/Animalism [ani] Strike: make a hand strike at +1 damage. [val] Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. Opposing minion takes 1 unpreventable damage during strike resolution each round this combat when the range is close. A vampire may play only one Blissful Agony at [val] each combat. [VAL] Strike: combat ends. Choose a minion controlled by a Methuselah other than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing vampire enters combat with that minion. -- hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience, iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey

On 05 Mar 2006 00:31:48 +0200, Janne Hägglund <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote: > Scenario A: > > My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven. > > I hunt (an undirected action) with a minion that has superior Valeren. > My predator blocks, and combat occurs. > > I strike with superior Blissful Agony, and send my opponent to fight the > vampire with Secure Haven. > > Is this legal? I'd say it is - no (D) action has been taken. > > Scenario B: > > My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven, as before. > > I rush my predator (a directed action), strike with superior Blissful > Agony, > and send my opponent to fight the vamp with Secure Haven. > > Now, is this legal? Is Blissful Agony's new combat a part of my (D) > action? I don't think the action type has any relevance. Regardless of the action you may send the opponent off to fight a Secure Haven-ed minion. Even though the minion with the Secure Haven is not affected by (D) actions (basically means "cannot be chosen as the target of (D) actions", plus maybe "must be excluded from the targets of (D) actions"), the combat invoked by Blissful Agony is not the result of a (D) action (and therefor is applicable irrespective of the type of action it was used in). Similarly, a vampire with Secure Haven blocking a (D) action can still be beaten up in combat. -- Bye, Daneel

Daneel wrote: > On 05 Mar 2006 00:31:48 +0200, Janne Hägglund > <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote: > >> Scenario A: >> >> My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven. >> >> I hunt (an undirected action) with a minion that has superior Valeren. >> My predator blocks, and combat occurs. >> >> I strike with superior Blissful Agony, and send my opponent to fight the >> vampire with Secure Haven. >> >> Is this legal? I'd say it is - no (D) action has been taken. >> >> Scenario B: >> >> My prey has a vampire with Secure Haven, as before. >> >> I rush my predator (a directed action), strike with superior Blissful >> Agony, >> and send my opponent to fight the vamp with Secure Haven. >> >> Now, is this legal? Is Blissful Agony's new combat a part of my (D) >> action? > > I don't think the action type has any relevance. Regardless of the action > you may send the opponent off to fight a Secure Haven-ed minion. Correct. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/