secure haven vs. haven uncovered? LSJ?

Can anyone tell me which gets priority? If I put Secure Haven on Etrius and then someone puts a Haven Uncovered, can they still attack? If it was the other way around, say I bring out Etrius and someone puts a Haven Uncovered, but during my turn I place a Secure Haven, does that mean they can't rush him? Help please. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

In message <ba0b00e65bdaebbd174...@mygate.mailgate.org>, "Danz Holandez" <hola...@hotmail.com> mumbled something about: >Can anyone tell me which gets priority? > >If I put Secure Haven on Etrius and then someone puts a Haven Uncovered, >can they still attack? They have to pay a pool to play the Haven Uncovered on him, and they still may not use the (D) action granted by Haven Uncovered. Haven Uncovered doesn't override any other cards, it just provides a (D) action to enter combat with the vampire, which Secure Haven prohibits in the same fashion as all other (D) actions. In other words, knowing where the big castle with the fifty-foot walls and the thirty-foot deep moat is and actually getting into that castle are two different things. =) >If it was the other way around, say I bring out Etrius and someone puts >a Haven Uncovered, but during my turn I place a Secure Haven, does that >mean they can't rush him? Correct. -- "There's no gray. There's just white that's got grubby." -- T.P.

>If I put Secure Haven on Etrius and then someone puts a Haven Uncovered, >can they still attack? > >If it was the other way around, say I bring out Etrius and someone puts >a Haven Uncovered, but during my turn I place a Secure Haven, does that >mean they can't rush him? In either case, minions cannot rush Etrius with the Haven Uncovered because he's protected with the Secure Haven. (Note that if you place the SH first, then whoever places the HU has to pay an extra pool). The protection from (D) actions precludes the option from the Haven Uncovered. Halcyan 2

Derek Ray wrote: > > In message <ba0b00e65bdaebbd174...@mygate.mailgate.org>, > "Danz Holandez" <hola...@hotmail.com> mumbled something about: > > >Can anyone tell me which gets priority? > > > >If I put Secure Haven on Etrius and then someone puts a Haven Uncovered, > >can they still attack? > > They have to pay a pool to play the Haven Uncovered on him, and they > still may not use the (D) action granted by Haven Uncovered. Haven > Uncovered doesn't override any other cards, it just provides a (D) > action to enter combat with the vampire, which Secure Haven prohibits in > the same fashion as all other (D) actions. Correct. > In other words, knowing where the big castle with the fifty-foot walls > and the thirty-foot deep moat is and actually getting into that castle > are two different things. =) > > >If it was the other way around, say I bring out Etrius and someone puts > >a Haven Uncovered, but during my turn I place a Secure Haven, does that > >mean they can't rush him? > > Correct. Correct again. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/