LSJ: question

Does "at the beginning of a round" mean the same thing as "before range is determined"? I.e., can you play Shadow Step in response to DotB?

On 4 Dec 1999 14:33:36 GMT, jus...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Justin Fang) wrote: >Does "at the beginning of a round" mean the same thing as "before range is >determined"? > >I.e., can you play Shadow Step in response to DotB? DotB text: "Only usable before range is determined on the first round. Opposing vampire can only use maneuvers to cancel maneuvers, etcetera yadda yadda." Shadow Step text: "yadda yadda, ...(S) Only usable at the beginning of a round. This vampire burns 2 blood to set the range for that round. If he or she does so, skip the Establish Range step for this round." well, obviously since SS isn't a maneuver, it bypasses DotB. I'd guess that since "before range" is the first phase in any round, you could. Unless "beginning of a round" means "before any other cards played in this round", which I can't see, myself. :) -- Derek PEACE, n. In international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting.

"Derek S. Ray" wrote: > > On 4 Dec 1999 14:33:36 GMT, jus...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Justin Fang) > wrote: > > >Does "at the beginning of a round" mean the same thing as "before range is > >determined"? > > > >I.e., can you play Shadow Step in response to DotB? > > DotB text: "Only usable before range is determined on the first > round. Opposing vampire can only use maneuvers to cancel maneuvers, > etcetera yadda yadda." > > Shadow Step text: "yadda yadda, ...(S) Only usable at the beginning > of a round. This vampire burns 2 blood to set the range for that > round. If he or she does so, skip the Establish Range step for this > round." > > well, obviously since SS isn't a maneuver, it bypasses DotB. I'd > guess that since "before range" is the first phase in any round, you > could. Unless "beginning of a round" means "before any other cards > played in this round", which I can't see, myself. :) Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before range is determined [in a round]". So you can play Shadow Step after a Drawing Out the Beast has been played. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

In article <384BC828...@wizards.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] But, could you play Drawing Out the Beast after playing Shadow Step? I could see an argument for either case here. LSJ? -Korric Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

kor...@my-deja.com writes: >In article <384BC828...@wizards.com>, > LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: >> "Derek S. Ray" wrote: >> > >> > On 4 Dec 1999 14:33:36 GMT, jus...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Justin Fang) >> > wrote: >> > >> > >Does "at the beginning of a round" mean the same thing as "before >> > >range is determined"? >> > > >> > >I.e., can you play Shadow Step in response to DotB? >> > >> > DotB text: "Only usable before range is determined on the first >> > round. Opposing vampire can only use maneuvers to cancel maneuvers, >> > etcetera yadda yadda." >> > >> > Shadow Step text: "yadda yadda, ...(S) Only usable at the beginning >> > of a round. This vampire burns 2 blood to set the range for that >> > round. If he or she does so, skip the Establish Range step for this >> > round." >> > >> > well, obviously since SS isn't a maneuver, it bypasses DotB. I'd >> > guess that since "before range" is the first phase in any round, you >> > could. Unless "beginning of a round" means "before any other cards >> > played in this round", which I can't see, myself. :) >> >> Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before >> range is determined [in a round]". >> >> So you can play Shadow Step after a Drawing Out the Beast has been played. > >But, could you play Drawing Out the Beast after playing Shadow Step? I >could see an argument for either case here. LSJ? Sure, why couldn't you? All SS says is that you skip the range step, range is set, and no one can play maneuvers. It doesn't say, "Skip *TO*...(some other part of the turn)". So all "beginning-of-a-round"/ "before-range" cards can still be played. Just, once you get past those cards, don't bother stopping and having a range step because there isn't one. And as DotB is not a manuever itself, well, what's the problem? Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > kor...@my-deja.com writes: > > LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > >> Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before > >> range is determined [in a round]". > >> > >> So you can play Shadow Step after a Drawing Out the Beast has been played. > > > >But, could you play Drawing Out the Beast after playing Shadow Step? I > >could see an argument for either case here. LSJ? > > Sure, why couldn't you? All SS says is that you skip the range step, > range is set, and no one can play maneuvers. It doesn't say, "Skip > *TO*...(some other part of the turn)". So all "beginning-of-a-round"/ > "before-range" cards can still be played. Just, once you get past those > cards, don't bother stopping and having a range step because there isn't > one. And as DotB is not a manuever itself, well, what's the problem? Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before range is determined [in a round]". So you can play Drawing Out the Beast after Shadow Step has been played. [ quoted text not captured ]