Touch of Clarity

For what it's worth, Perfect Clarity hoses Dominate bounce even worse than Touch of Clarity, and it certainly didn't break the game.

On Apr 27, 11:33 am, Xexyz <xe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > For what it's worth, Perfect Clarity hoses Dominate bounce even worse > than Touch of Clarity, and it certainly didn't break the game. Oops, meant this as a response in the other thread.

[ quoted text not captured ] It hoses Dom bounce v effectively, but costs 2 and must be played when action is announced. Also doesn't hose much else, by comparison - 1 less skill, and only reaction cards. Nowhere near as good, overall. In fact, it barely every gets played - i guess because a 2 blood cost on any card starts looking a bit scary thru a long game, esp when combined with any other cards that also cost.

[ quoted text not captured ] Exact. Also because if your prey doesn't deflect with Dom (and / or S:CE with Pre) those cards are dead slots (except with Oliver Thrace, maybe there's something to do there), while Touch of Clarity works also if your pred or any dangerous opponent plays Dom (to deflect, bleed etc.). MUCH more useful. And yes, although I wouldn't call it broken I feel that this card is very strong, and definitely not something I'd have wanted in Dem (with all the other anti-bounce options in Obf + Revelations). Meanwhile, the Lasombra still have no reliable and efficient tech to bleed responsibly... Orpheus

> Meanwhile, the Lasombra > still have no reliable and efficient tech to bleed responsibly... > > Orpheus [pot] Cancel the action and untap the acting minion. (The blocking minion is not tapped.) does not count ?

[ quoted text not captured ] I just _knew_ that someone would make cornercase propositions. ;) Tangle Atropos` Hand (the card you cited without naming) is made for use with the Trujahs, and the Pot version can be useful only with that precise tech (or just to cycle). At Pot, Tangle Atropos` Hand is just pure shite : it's a Change of Target which costs a blood !! How do you compare that with a card that allows you to continue your bleed on the right target ?! BTW, if the target of the bleed declined to block by deflecting and Touch of Clarity is used to cancel the deflect, he can't try to block again, right ? Orpheus

On Apr 28, 2:15 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus.TAKEOU...@free.fr> wrote: > Tangle Atropos` Hand (the card you cited without naming) is made for use > with the Trujahs, and the Pot version can be useful only with that precise > tech (or just to cycle). You should re-read the card. > At Pot, Tangle Atropos` Hand is just pure shite : it's a Change of Target > which costs a blood !! How do you compare that with a card that allows you > to continue your bleed on the right target ?! It's not Change of Target. CoT requires a successful block and prevents the acting minion from attempting the same action again. Tangle requires a block attempt, not a successful block, and allows the acting minion to attempt the same action again. So if you're bleeding with Lasombra, it's a great way to be responsible (as well as attempt the bleed a second time with the same bleeder). John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Interesting (although still wayyyy less good than ToC / Hide the Mind). Question : can you attempt to block a stealthed action even though you know you will fail (have no intercept to add) ? Orpheus

Orpheus wrote: > Johann von Doom wrote: >> It's not Change of Target. CoT requires a successful block and >> prevents the acting minion from attempting the same action again. >> Tangle requires a block attempt, not a successful block, and allows >> the acting minion to attempt the same action again. >> >> So if you're bleeding with Lasombra, it's a great way to be >> responsible (as well as attempt the bleed a second time with the same >> bleeder). > > Interesting (although still wayyyy less good than ToC / Hide the Mind). > > Question : can you attempt to block a stealthed action even though you know > you will fail (have no intercept to add) ? Restated: Can you attempt to block an action that is at stealth? Yes, you can.

On Apr 28, 2:30 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus.TAKEOU...@free.fr> wrote: > Interesting (although still wayyyy less good than ToC / Hide the Mind). Sure. But since most Lasombra don't have access to ToC or Hide the Mind, it's a reasonable substitute. Its blood cost is the prohibitive part, since Lasombra stealth/bleed decks tend to be so blood-intensive anyway. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. Same goes for the Giovanni. But they also have some nice blood gain ressources, and in addition with a Trujah it might be worth it... Orpheus