[LSJ] Various cuestions

Hi, I have some questions to throw at you :P 1.- Cat's guidance, can it be played before combat begins or it must be played after combat? 2.- When I merge a vampire, can i play legendary vampire on the merged vampire? because he is a new vampire instead of the old one. 3.- let's say that one of my vampires gets burned by means of an archon investigation, then other of my vampires with sup. NEC plays a possession and brings the vampire back to the ready region(untapped I assume), with 1 blood, can this vampire bleed again? and he comes back with all the cards that he had before leaving the game or not? 4.- When I play a sudario refraction, can i recover from the ash heap the same sudario refraction? 5.- Dis Pater says that i must remove the seven cards form the game when i succesfully bleed my prey, so it means that after Dis Pater my prey cannot play deflection/redirection/telepatic misdirection cards. am I right? 6.- if the above point is right, can i juggle dis pater within a bleed, i mean for example: i bleed with govern the unaligned, my prey declines blocking and don't bounce, then use dis pater, and finally finish with a conditioning. can it be done or dis pater must be played at the very end of the action? well i guess that's all by now. tnx in advance :)

"ThE OnLy VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114190726.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Hi, I have some questions to throw at you :P > > 1.- Cat's guidance, can it be played before combat begins or it must be > played after combat? > After only, for the untap effect. > 2.- When I merge a vampire, can i play legendary vampire on the merged > vampire? because he is a new vampire instead of the old one. > I'd say no. LV looks for a vampire "moved to your ready region since your last turn", merging doesn't seem to qualify, since the vamp is already in your ready region. > 3.- let's say that one of my vampires gets burned by means of an archon > investigation, then other of my vampires with sup. NEC plays a > possession and brings the vampire back to the ready region(untapped I > assume), with 1 blood, can this vampire bleed again? and he comes back > with all the cards that he had before leaving the game or not? > Vampires remember nothing after a trip through the ash heap. He can act. No cards come back from the ash heap with him. > 4.- When I play a sudario refraction, can i recover from the ash heap > the same sudario refraction? > Sure. > 5.- Dis Pater says that i must remove the seven cards form the game > when i succesfully bleed my prey, so it means that after Dis Pater my > prey cannot play deflection/redirection/telepatic misdirection cards. > am I right? > Its after a successful bleed, so you are right. Watch out if the extra +1 bleed makes you eligible for an AI, though... > 6.- if the above point is right, can i juggle dis pater within a bleed, > i mean for example: i bleed with govern the unaligned, my prey declines > blocking and don't bounce, then use dis pater, and finally finish with > a conditioning. can it be done or dis pater must be played at the very > end of the action? > At the very end. DaveZ Atom Weaver

David Zopf wrote: > "ThE OnLy VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1114190726.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > 4.- When I play a sudario refraction, can i recover from the ash heap > > the same sudario refraction? > > > Sure. > Actually this one is a no. LSJ already covered it in another post here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/391d396fca18f61d/99514cc2cac220ae?q=played+limbo&rnum=7#99514cc2cac220ae I hope the link worked. I did a search on the group with google for "played limbo" and found it. So, when playing your second Sudario Refraction, you can target the one already in your ash heap and after that you'll be all set to keep switching back and forth. Later, ~Rehlow

David Zopf wrote: > "ThE OnLy VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>1.- Cat's guidance, can it be played before combat begins or it must be >>played after combat? > After only, for the untap effect. Correct. >>2.- When I merge a vampire, can i play legendary vampire on the merged >>vampire? because he is a new vampire instead of the old one. > > I'd say no. LV looks for a vampire "moved to your ready region since your > last turn", merging doesn't seem to qualify, since the vamp is already in > your ready region. Correct. Google: "Legendary merge author:LSJ" http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a403674e493dd845 >>3.- let's say that one of my vampires gets burned by means of an archon >>investigation, then other of my vampires with sup. NEC plays a >>possession and brings the vampire back to the ready region(untapped I >>assume), with 1 blood, can this vampire bleed again? and he comes back >>with all the cards that he had before leaving the game or not? > > Vampires remember nothing after a trip through the ash heap. He can act. > No cards come back from the ash heap with him. Correct. >>4.- When I play a sudario refraction, can i recover from the ash heap >>the same sudario refraction? > > Sure. No. You have to select the three cards when the SR is played. >>5.- Dis Pater says that i must remove the seven cards form the game >>when i succesfully bleed my prey, so it means that after Dis Pater my >>prey cannot play deflection/redirection/telepatic misdirection cards. >>am I right? > > Its after a successful bleed, so you are right. Correct. > Watch out if the extra +1 > bleed makes you eligible for an AI, though... No. Like Spying Mission, it happens only once the bleed is successful, so won't attract the Archon Investigation. >>6.- if the above point is right, can i juggle dis pater within a bleed, >>i mean for example: i bleed with govern the unaligned, my prey declines >>blocking and don't bounce, then use dis pater, and finally finish with >>a conditioning. can it be done or dis pater must be played at the very >>end of the action? > > At the very end. Correct, by the "when successful" reasoning. You play Conditioning before resolution. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

[ quoted text not captured ] So a burned merged vampire, bringed back by possession, comes back merged or not? if he doesn't come back merged, which vampire comes back, te basic or the advanced??

ThE OnLy VipeR wrote: > So a burned merged vampire, bringed back by possession, comes back > merged or not? Not. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec1_5 > if he doesn't come back merged, which vampire comes back, te basic or > the advanced?? Either, as determined by the acting vampire when the Possession is announced (i.e., whichever card was targeted). [ quoted text not captured ]

"ThE OnLy VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114218555.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > So a burned merged vampire, bringed back by possession, comes back > merged or not? > if he doesn't come back merged, which vampire comes back, te basic or > the advanced?? IANLSJBICMAWAGFWIW. (I am not LSJ but I can make a wild-assed guess, for what it's worth.) For "Move any vampire..." or "Move a vampire..." substitute "Move a(ny) vampire CARD...". So if a merged vampire gets burned, you can pick one of the two when you play a Possession and move it to the appropriate area. Vampires remember nothing after a trip through the ash heap. That includes memory of being merged. Fred

[ quoted text not captured ] Ok, tnx :) one last question, if I play rastacourere in a priscus, does the priscus loose his vote in the prisci sub-referendum or not?

ThE OnLy VipeR wrote: > one last question, if I play rastacourere in a priscus, does the > priscus loose his vote in the prisci sub-referendum or not? Not. Cards can't affect the Priscus sub-referendum unless they explicitly say they do (eg, Gratiano), or if they affect all of a vampire's votes (eg, Kindred Coercion). Same reason you can't Bewitching Oration the Prisci sub-referendum. --Colin McGuigan

one more question, can leathery hide be played with skin of night to prevent aggravated damage?

On 25 Apr 2005 20:36:09 -0700, "ThE OnLy VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote: >one more question, can leathery hide be played with skin of night to >prevent aggravated damage? No. The damage is still aggravated, so Leathery Hide does not prevent it. Skin of Night allows the vampire to treat the damage as normal, it does not allow Leathery Hide to treat the damage as normal. LSJ 04-12-05 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0a6fe6508e6fc6ae See also: Soak / Skin of Night LSJ 05-19-04 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/133e88c6df50be0f LSJ 05-17-04 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/52451db2d8eaabf5 Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com Your best online source for information about V:TES. Now also featuring individual card sales and sales of booster and starter box displays.

i guessed so, because the of the prevent non-aggravated dammage text of the card, and skin of noght only treat aggravated as normal, but i wanted to check tnx anyway :)