V:TES Newsletter/ Card Ideas

Sounds like a great idea! An interesting feature might be to profile new card ideas. (Give something to WOTC to think about). To start the ball rolling, I'll give mine. My favorite decks are political, in nature, so this is something I had thought of a while ago. For this idea, most Clans would have thier own version of the card. <Clan> Domination {Master} - 0 pool While <Clan> Domination is in play, all <Clan> Vampires recieve 1 extra vote during any political action. If any other Domination card is brought into play during the game, immediatly burn this card. Any thoghts or other card ideas? rob.

Since WOTC announced that there will not be any V:TES expansions for at least a year :( the newsletter and new cards are a great idea. I would be more than happy to write some articles for the newsletter. And as far as the new cards go, lets run with this one. I mean, I would love to build some new cards and use them (just for fun) in my playgroup. Maybe we can get someone's web page to house a list of the current net generated cards so we could all discuss them. Who would not like to take a few of their commons and turn them into something new? T_Ban...@premier-lending.com

Rob LeGood wrote: > <Clan> Domination > {Master} - 0 pool > While <Clan> Domination is in play, all <Clan> Vampires recieve 1 extra > vote during any political action. If any other Domination card is > brought into play during the game, immediatly burn this card. > > Any thoghts or other card ideas? Having a card-restricted set of means to remove this sort of effect is not sufficient to reduce its cost to zero. Either make the card cost 2 pool (a la the much-more-easily burned Ventrue Directorate Assembly), or have it (also) burnable as a +1 stealth (D) action. or have it cost 1 pool and have it (also) burnable as a vote -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | He who laughs last http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | thinks slowest Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

Black Limousine 2 pool equipment vehicle Minion with this equipment gets +1 stealth on all of her actions. No minion may have more than one vehicle at a time. --Nyarlathotep : The other one.

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Vernon Putman wrote: > > Black Limousine > 2 pool > equipment > vehicle > Minion with this equipment gets > +1 stealth on all of her actions. > > No minion may have more than one > vehicle at a time. I think this would only be balanced if you made it unique. James -- James Hamblin je...@cornell.edu --------------------------------------------------- "Well, Mulder didn't say that it _was_ Alex Trebek, just someone who looked extremely like him." -- Dana Scully, X-Files: "Jose Chung's _From Outer Space_"

> Black Limousine > 2 pool > equipment > vehicle > Minion with this equipment gets > +1 stealth on all of her actions. > No minion may have more than one > vehicle at a time. 2 pool? No way, should only be 1 since it only affects one minion. Sport Bike & Tabloid Newspaper both grant +1 intercept, both affect only 1 minion and both only cost 1 pool. Anything granting the converse (+1 stealth) affecting only 1 minion, should also cost only 1 pool. Sorrow -- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorrow (cbo...@apdi.net) wrote: : > Black Limousine : > 2 pool : > equipment : > vehicle : > Minion with this equipment gets : > +1 stealth on all of her actions. : > No minion may have more than one : > vehicle at a time. : 2 pool? : No way, should only be 1 since it only affects one minion. : Sport Bike & Tabloid Newspaper both grant +1 intercept, both affect only 1 : minion and both only cost 1 pool. : Anything granting the converse (+1 stealth) affecting only 1 minion, should : also cost only 1 pool. : Sorrow Not sure I agree. It might be better to compare to other permanent stealth cards, like Backways or the Labyrinth. These both cost 1 pool and effect only 1 minion, but they also have disadvantages: They are unique, and they only effect one particular clan. They also cost a master phase action instead of a minion phase action to bring into play, and master phase actions are sometimes considered more valuable. Tabloid Newspaper is a poor example, since it requires the minion to burn a blood each time to gain the intercept. This is the price paid for having one less pool cost than KRCG News Radio, which does the same thing without that disadvantage. John W.

On 21 Feb 1997, Sorrow wrote: > > Black Limousine > > 2 pool > > equipment > > vehicle > > Minion with this equipment gets > > +1 stealth on all of her actions. > > No minion may have more than one > > vehicle at a time. > 2 pool? > No way, should only be 1 since it only affects one minion. > Sport Bike & Tabloid Newspaper both grant +1 intercept, both affect only 1 > minion and both only cost 1 pool. > Anything granting the converse (+1 stealth) affecting only 1 minion, should > also cost only 1 pool. Not true. Stealth is more powerful than intercept. A minion with a base of 1 stealth will be unblocked by any minion that doesn't have intercept. This means, without further modifications on either side, a previously unsuccessful action would now be successful. A minion with intercept, on the other hand, in a similar situation will have a previously unsuccessful action against it now be again unsuccessful. Whereas intercept is only useful if someone is using stealth, stealth is useful whether or not they play intercept. @#$ The Corrupter $#@ @#$ Adrian Lee Sullivan $#@ Truth is as @#$ Game Theory - Coffee - Opinion - Hedonism $#@ subjective as @#$ <http://upl.cs.wisc.edu/~adrian/jyhad> $#@ Reality ... GAT/CS/WS C(+++) USX+ P++ N++ PS++@ PE@ b++(+++) X+++ R+++* r+ z++**?

Sorrow wrote: > > > Black Limousine > > 2 pool > > equipment > > vehicle > > Minion with this equipment gets > > +1 stealth on all of her actions. > > No minion may have more than one > > vehicle at a time. > > 2 pool? > No way, should only be 1 since it only affects one minion. > Sport Bike & Tabloid Newspaper both grant +1 intercept, both affect only 1 > minion and both only cost 1 pool. > Anything granting the converse (+1 stealth) affecting only 1 minion, should > also cost only 1 pool. Not so. Stealth is more powerful than intercept. This is why retainers that give intercept are free, while retainers that give only limited-use stealth cost 2 blood. (Mr. Winthrop vs. Marijava Ghoul. One of the blood cost might be to balance the extra life and non-uniqueness that the Ghoul has. The other is to balance the fact that she bestows stealth, albeit only on a selected subset of actions). And why KRCG is clanless in both control and effect, while locations that give stealth to non-stealthy clans are much more restrictive while costing the same. One thing that the game does not need more of is global-use stealth. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Washington, DC: http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | America's work-free Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | drug place

Thus saith The Corrupter the Unworthy, in the Year of Our Lord Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:53:55 -0600 : > Not true. Stealth is more powerful than intercept. > > A minion with a base of 1 stealth will be unblocked by any minion that > doesn't have intercept. This means, without further modifications on > either side, a previously unsuccessful action would now be successful. > > A minion with intercept, on the other hand, in a similar situation will > have a previously unsuccessful action against it now be again > unsuccessful. Whereas intercept is only useful if someone is using > stealth, stealth is useful whether or not they play intercept. Plus, many actions have an inherent +1 stealth. This card would give a major advantage to a vampire calling a vote, with predator/prey having limited or non-existent intercept. I think it would work well as a non-unique costing 2 pool. Hardrock -- Hardrock Llewynyth a.g.AB founding member (DNRC) hard...@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~hardrock No good deed goes unpunished. --Clare Boothe Luce

Vernon Putman wrote: > > Black Limousine > 2 pool > equipment > vehicle > Minion with this equipment gets > +1 stealth on all of her actions. > > No minion may have more than one > vehicle at a time. > > --Nyarlathotep : The other one. Stealth is pretty powerful, how about: Black Limousine Ventrue (Antitribu?) 1 pool unique equipment vehicle Minion with this equipment can burn one blood to gain +1 stealth on all political actions for that minion phase. If one of these actions is intercepted, this minion gains an optional press to end combat. How does that sound? The paying a blood reduces its effectiveness in a weenie vote deck, the +1 stealth on political actions is good, but not as good as generic +1 stealth. The optional press adds a bit of flavour, "Argh the brujah are attacking, jump in the limo and run away!!!" :-) -- Jeffrey Endres Undergrad B. Eng (Aerospace Avionics) Queensland University of Technology "All human actions are equivalent ... and ... all are on principle doomed to failure." Jean-Paul Sartre (Being and Nothingness, Conclusion, sct. 2)

In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Protracted Investment cards. The card we've been thinking of most often is: Stock Market Crash Master 1 or 2 pool cost. Burn all Investments in play, and all blood on them. Only one Stock Market Crash may be played in a game. Another related card was: Insider Trader Retainer (or ally) 2 blood (or 2 pool) (1 life, 1 hand dam, 1 bleed? or 0 bleed?) The vampire with this retainer (or this ally) may take a +1 (D) action to steal one blood from an investment, and put that blood in its controller's blood bool. What do you think? Is it wrong to mess with the sanctity of the investments? What do you think of the balance of the effects? Bullfrog

jerb...@aol.com wrote : > In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Protracted Investment cards. > I wouldn't be opposed to the idea... > The card we've been thinking of most often is: > > Stock Market Crash > Master > 1 or 2 pool cost. > Burn all Investments in play, and all blood on them. Only one Stock Market Crash may be played in a game. > Or maybe have no pool cost, and have it read "All investments in play must burn one blood." > Another related card was: > > Insider Trader > Retainer (or ally) > 2 blood (or 2 pool) > (1 life, 1 hand dam, 1 bleed? or 0 bleed?) > The vampire with this retainer (or this ally) may take a +1 (D) action to steal one blood from an investment, and put that blood in its controller's blood bool. > > What do you think? Is it wrong to mess with the sanctity of the investments? What do you think of the balance of the effects? > I would make him an ally and cost 2 pool. I'm sorely tempted to make him Ventrue, although I think that could be overlooked by simply calling the ally something like "Pentex Broker." I would probably make him 0 hand damage, 1 bleed. Anyway, I'm still looking for people who might be interested in joining a JOL game in which we playtest these cards... Are you interested? Is anyone else? John Baker

>Anything granting the converse (+1 stealth) affecting >only 1 minion, should also cost only 1 pool. Spurious! Stealth is much harder to get than intercept. E.G., there's no retainer giving stealth, and Anton's a lot cheaper than Rebekka (Rebecca?). --- Liam Burke "Only a Malkavian would attack Cthulhu with laughing gas..." -overheard

No, it should not be clan-specific. I would prefer to see it as unique, or more expensive. Hardrock -- Hardrock Llewynyth a.g.AB founding member (DNRC) hard...@speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~hardrock The trouble about fighting for human freedom is that you have to spend so much of your life defending sons of bitches; for oppressive laws are always aimed at them originally, and oppression must be stopped in the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. - H.L. Menken

In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Protracted Investment cards. The card we've been thinking of most often is: Stock Market Crash Master 1 or 2 pool cost. Burn all Investments in play, and all blood on them. Only one Stock Market Crash may be played in a game. Another related card was: Insider Trader Retainer (or ally) 2 blood (or 2 pool) (1 life, 1 hand dam, 1 bleed? or 0 bleed?) The vampire with this retainer (or this ally) may take a +1 (D) action to steal one blood from an investment, and put that blood in its controller's blood bool. What do you think? Is it wrong to mess with the sanctity of the investments? What do you think of the balance of the effects? Bullfrog

Jeffrey Endres wrote: > > Stealth is pretty powerful, how about: > > Black Limousine > Ventrue (Antitribu?) > 1 pool > unique equipment > vehicle > Minion with this equipment can burn one blood to gain +1 stealth on all > political actions for that minion phase. If one of these actions is > intercepted, this minion gains an optional press to end combat. > > How does that sound? The paying a blood reduces its effectiveness in > a weenie vote deck, the +1 stealth on political actions is good, but not > as good as generic +1 stealth. The optional press adds a bit of flavour, > "Argh the brujah are attacking, jump in the limo and run away!!!" :-) I really like this version.

jerb...@aol.com wrote: > > In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Pr > Consider the lovely Goth Band. Their Great! Just be careful they die quick. > The card we've been thinking of most often is: > > Stock Market Crash > Master > 1 or 2 pool cost. > Burn all Investments in play, and all blood on them. Only one Stock Market Crash may be played in a game. > I assume by the wording that this wouldn't affect Secret Hordes. The same problem is there, but I think this is a little strong. As someone else suggested maybe just some of the counters on the investment should be burned. > Another related card was: > > Insider Trader > Retainer (or ally) > 2 blood (or 2 pool) > (1 life, 1 hand dam, 1 bleed? or 0 bleed?) > The vampire with this retainer (or this ally) may take a +1 (D) action to steal one blood from an investment, and put that blood in its controller's blood bool > > What do you think? Is it wrong to mess with the sanctity of the investments? What do you think of the balance of the effects? > > Bullfrog Everything is fair game, just as long as it, well fair. No more RtI. Aaron

In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Protracted Investment cards. The card we've been thinking of most often is: Stock Market Crash Master 1 or 2 pool cost. Burn all Investments in play, and all blood on them. Only one Stock Market Crash may be played in a game. Another related card was: Insider Trader Retainer (or ally) 2 blood (or 2 pool) (1 life, 1 hand dam, 1 bleed? or 0 bleed?) The vampire with this retainer (or this ally) may take a +1 (D) action to steal one blood from an investment, and put that blood in its controller's blood bool. [ quoted text not captured ]

jerb...@aol.com wrote: > > In our playgroup, we've been tossing around the idea of something to monkey with the impossible-to-touch-without-a-well-timed-Sudden-Reversal Short Term and Protracted Investment cards. > Cards that are impossible to touch without a SR, are slow in effect, won't often swing the game one way or another, and generally are balanced when looking at their cost. If Investments were now subject to destruction or theft then they could possibly be considered overcosted for their benefit. In short, I think this is a bad idea. Robert -- ...................................................................... :The opinions expressed here are strictly my own delusional ramblings: :and do not reflect the opinions of The Walt Disney Company. : : : :Robert Goudie robert...@studio.disney.com: :LA Tourny Info -> http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~ezix/other/rg/vtourn_1.html: :....................................................................: :Da pony run, he jump he pitch. He t'row my master in da ditch. : :He died and da jury wondered why. Da verdict was the blue tail fly.: :....................................................................: