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Something interesting I happened across at: www.gameplayersnetwork.com ------------------------ The Magic: The Gathering game, invented by Richard Garfield and first released in 1993, today is available in 52 countries and nine languages, with more than 100,000 official tournaments sanctioned each year by the DCIŽ players' organization. ------------------------ 100,000 sanctioned tournaments each year. Compared to the 88 sanctioned V:TES tournaments for March, which estimates to ~1000 tournaments per year. Looks like we still have some room to grow. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

> > 100,000 sanctioned tournaments each year. > > Compared to the 88 sanctioned V:TES tournaments for March, which > estimates to ~1000 tournaments per year. > > Looks like we still have some room to grow. > Mmmm. There is more to that statistic than meets the eye. 'Sanctioned tournament' in an M:tG sense can and does include 8 player straight knock-out side events that are run around the clock at major conventions. As such, US GenCon will see 350+ distinct M:tG tournaments be added to the DCI database. If you were very diligent and very bad you could play in nearly 50 such tournaments over a three day period. The closest V:TES could get to that would be Rapid Thought 9 player events with the 3 table winners playing a final. It would be all over in under two hours which is faster than most constructed M:tG side events and certainly faster than an M:tG booster draft. So lets see more of it folks. Whats stopping us from doing it? You'd need Rapid Thought rankings and TO's willing to organise them at their tournaments. It would make the TO a bit more cash (charge a dollar/pound/euro for entry) and give the players not making the final something to do. It's a good thing in some ways as the field would be a bit more even given that the top players would be playing in the constructed event final at the time. Where's the downside? Lets get Rapid thought rankings up and increase the number of events run. mattgreen -- Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com http://web2news.com/?rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

<snip> > Where's the downside? Lets get Rapid thought rankings up and increase > the number of events run. Dudde this is a totally great idea. One of the tricky things about VTES tourney days is that the game needs lots of time. Having shorter events needing less people is a superb time filler. Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really fast! I'm in. Anyone else? DH

> Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and > play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) > but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really > fast! > > I'm in. Anyone else? That sounds like a class idea. I'm in. Rob [ quoted text not captured ]

"robtreasure" <robtreasure....@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<2517...@web2news.com>... > > Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and > > play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) > > but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really > > fast! > > > > I'm in. Anyone else? > > That sounds like a class idea. I'm in. > > Rob I'm up for it.. also I can't see why we cannot try this during a slow point at gencon, london this weekend in the communal gaming area if necessary.. has anyone here played many RT games, haven't playind in any myself?

First my reaction was , NO WAY, jyhad is done for 4 or 5 player..... BUT, it can be a good format (3 player fast contest) to make a parallel league ranking in each play ground. You make a ranking function of the vekn result, then if you want to go up in the ranking of your playground you have to make a table with 2 guys which are 2 rank in front or behind you, 40 minutes later it is clear.

> Compared to the 88 sanctioned V:TES tournaments for March, which > estimates to ~1000 tournaments per year. > > > Looks like we still have some room to grow. Statistically speaking: 92 tournaments. There were also 4 Qualifiers in March. That's twice as many as last March. That's some growing! Robyn Tatu Vtesr...@white-wolf.com [ quoted text not captured ]

"robtreasure" <robtreasure....@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<2517...@web2news.com>... > > Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and > > play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) > > but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really > > fast! > > > > I'm in. Anyone else? > > That sounds like a class idea. I'm in. Rapid Thought is a very fun environment to play in! I wouldn't necessarily want to play in an RT event every time though because it's a really sleazy, weenie-fied environment and can probably get old quickly. All my rounds in the RT tournament at the NA NW Regional lasted less than 15 minutes. The Finals were slightly longer, but not by much.

"robtreasure" <robtreasure....@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<2517...@web2news.com>... > > Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and > > play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) > > but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really > > fast! > > > > I'm in. Anyone else? > > That sounds like a class idea. I'm in. > > Rob Any chance we can get this on the road for Origins? In any case, I'm interested. Maybe bruise & bleed will make a return again... Patrick Columbus, OH

We got any other figures on the gaming industry? I'm curious how much of a market share each has, in board games, rpgs, ccgs. Also, which games are making profit, and which face termination. Wisefool Mercuriel

"robtreasure" <robtreasure....@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<2517...@web2news.com>... > > Sure, it probably requires a different skillset in construction and > > play (I don't know myself, having never had the firsthand experience) > > but if it takes 30 - 40 mins to play, then people would learn really > > fast! > > > > I'm in. Anyone else? > > That sounds like a class idea. I'm in. > > Rob This does soun great! Would these be sanctioned events? Dean

jeff...@hotmail.com (Jeff Kuta) wrote in message > Rapid Thought is a very fun environment to play in! I wouldn't > necessarily want to play in an RT event every time though because it's > a really sleazy, weenie-fied environment and can probably get old > quickly. All my rounds in the RT tournament at the NA NW Regional > lasted less than 15 minutes. The Finals were slightly longer, but not > by much. I beg to differ. Sure the vampires are smaller, but they're not de facto "weenies". I played in and won the first ever Rapid Thought "Beta-test" tournament at GenCon 2002 with a modified Giovanni starter. I tossed out some junk, added 5 Diarms and some Wakes, tweaked the Crypt, and rocked the house! The final turned into a huge diplomacy battle between myself, Steve Fazio, and one other guy I can't remember. It took much longer than 15 minutes. Keith M. Thompson

mgreen02 wrote: > > > > The closest V:TES could get to that would be Rapid Thought 9 player > events with the 3 table winners playing a final. It would be all over in > under two hours which is faster than most constructed M:tG side events > and certainly faster than an M:tG booster draft. > > So lets see more of it folks. Whats stopping us from doing it? You'd > need Rapid Thought rankings and TO's willing to organise them at their > tournaments. It would make the TO a bit more cash (charge a > dollar/pound/euro for entry) and give the players not making the final > something to do. It's a good thing in some ways as the field would be a > bit more even given that the top players would be playing in the > constructed event final at the time. > > Where's the downside? Lets get Rapid thought rankings up and increase > the number of events run. > Well, the downside is it is near impossible to get 9 players exactly. What to do if you are 1 or 2 players short? Or 1 to 8 players over? This is the detail I can't get around for this format. best - chris -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site) prince of torrance, california *** Into the abyss I'll fall - the eye of Horus Into the eyes of the night - watching me go Green is the cat's eye that glows - in this temple Enter the risen Osiris - risen again - Dickinson

Chris Shorb wrote: > Well, the downside is it is near impossible to get 9 players exactly. What > to do if you are 1 or 2 players short? Or 1 to 8 players over? This is the > detail I can't get around for this format. M:tG hold "8-player exactly" tournaments (single elimination) all the time. They schedule a block of time for the tournaments. Players sign up as they arrive or as they finish tournaments. When you get 8, they play. It seems likely that a similar system would work for 9. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Chris Shorb wrote: > Well, the downside is it is near impossible to get 9 players exactly. What > to do if you are 1 or 2 players short? Or 1 to 8 players over? This is the > detail I can't get around for this format. IME, they draw numbers and the unlucky bastard that gets cut goes to the bar instead and, well, you know how the story goes..... David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu

dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) wrote in message news:<9e10847c.03041...@posting.google.com>... > I'm in. Anyone else? > Rapid Thought rocks. I personally would like to see it become a fully sanctioned tournament alternative. T

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E9FE659...@white-wolf.com>... > Chris Shorb wrote: > > Well, the downside is it is near impossible to get 9 players exactly. What > > to do if you are 1 or 2 players short? Or 1 to 8 players over? This is the > > detail I can't get around for this format. > > M:tG hold "8-player exactly" tournaments (single elimination) all the time. > They schedule a block of time for the tournaments. > Players sign up as they arrive or as they finish tournaments. > When you get 8, they play. > > It seems likely that a similar system would work for 9. It would be kind of fun to hold a "single elimination" Rapid Thought tournament. If you had 12 people, it would be perpetual after the first round: ROUND 1 9 players in 3 tables of 3. 3 players sit out for first round. ROUND 2 3 winners advance to final round 6 losers start a new event with the 3 who sat out. ROUND 3 3 R2 winners advance to final round. 6 losers start a new event with the 3 winners from R1. Since the rounds are unlikely to last very long, it would be easy for people to just drop in and join a quick 2 round event whenever they felt like it. It could get pretty hairy for the organizer, but it shouldn't be too terribly bad since there are only 4 games to keep track of at any given time.

[ quoted text not captured ] Inquest #98 Top Ten CCGs: 1. Yu-Gi-Oh! 2. Magic 3. Lord of the Rings 4. Legend of the Five Rings 5. Pokémon 6. Dragonball Z 7. Raw Deal 8. Warlord 9. Star Wars (the WotC one, I suppose) 10. Warhammer 40,000 Scrye #60 Top-selling Collectible Games 1. Magic 2. Yu-Gi-Oh! 3. Marvel HeroClix 4. MechWarrior 5. Lord of the Rings 6. DC HeroClix 7. Mage Knight 8. Dragonball Z 9. Pokemon 10. Raw Deal Andrew

So where did V:TES end up on these lists, or didn't they say? :) Regards, Mike "Andrew S. Davidson" <a...@csi.com> wrote in message news:5pj1cv0jjno2q2cto...@4ax.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 13 May 2003 12:38:57 +0100, Mike Nudd wrote: >So where did V:TES end up on these lists, or didn't they say? :) They only list the top 10. Stats at the low end aren't very significant. I suppose that the adult-oriented games like VTES tend to sell mostly in blips when a new expansion is printed. Andrew

"Andrew S. Davidson" <a...@csi.com> wrote in message news:tjr1cv4le05f86v0a...@4ax.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Since a large part of the VTES sales are on the wholesale market, those sales are not calculated into these top sellers. A good indication of that is that Yu-gi-oh is outselling Magic. Yu-gi-oh is primarily for children who don't have the monetary critical mass to buy on the wholesale market, where as many Magic players do. Also they are called spikes not blips. -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

"Mike Nudd" <mi...@vekn.org.uk> wrote in message news:QL4wa.22216$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net... > So where did V:TES end up on these lists, or didn't they say? :) I have a feeling that stats like these are compiled by polling retailers. I wouldn't be surprised if V:TES sold as much as a quarter to a half of its U.S. sales from discount distributors and online sources. -Robert

"Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<g%6wa.70007$4P1.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] Definitely. Most princes I know and any major player within a princes domain typically purchase via potomacdist or something like that. I think you'd see slightly different results then... but probably still no VTES in the top parts. A good way perhaps to tell how well VTES is doing: look at the total number of completed sales on ebay.com or something. Sure its an anomoly (ebay that is) but it may give a better indicator... ~SV