Timing

Which wins? Thoughts Betrayed vs. Illusions of Kindred Dawn op - Catatonic fear vs. Drawing out the Beast

In article <19980117012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, VampChamp1 <vampc...@aol.com> writes >Which wins? > > >Thoughts Betrayed vs. Illusions of Kindred > Thoughts Betrayed. It is played as combat is entered. Illusions is played before range. Thoughts Betrayed must always be played before IotK. >Dawn op - Catatonic fear vs. Drawing out the Beast > > Oohh... Not sure here. Catatonic Fear DEFINITELY deals it's damage outside of combat (any damage done with an S:CE is dealt outside of combat) so it wouldn't be aggravated. DotB works after the end of the round - or is it at the end of the round? Whether that's in combat or not I don't know. However, there is an End of Round phase because the S:CE doesn't stop it. -- James Coupe (remove some crap to reply) Pah!! I hope it shits in your jogging suit!

In article <edofBGA+...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <james@obea h.demon.co.uk.bloodyunsolicitedcommerciale-mail> writes >In article <19980117012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, VampChamp1 ><vampc...@aol.com> writes >>Which wins? >> >> >>Thoughts Betrayed vs. Illusions of Kindred >> > >Thoughts Betrayed. It is played as combat is entered. Illusions is >played before range. Thoughts Betrayed must always be played before >IotK. > Sorry, I'll clarify that. IotK could be played and then TB be played on the resulting combat. But if I play a TB at the start of combat, it beats IotK. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > In article <19980117012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, VampChamp1 > <vampc...@aol.com> writes > >Which wins? > > > >Thoughts Betrayed vs. Illusions of Kindred > > Thoughts Betrayed. It is played as combat is entered. Illusions is > played before range. Thoughts Betrayed must always be played before > IotK. Correct. > >Dawn op - Catatonic fear vs. Drawing out the Beast > > Oohh... Not sure here. > > Catatonic Fear DEFINITELY deals it's damage outside of combat (any > damage done with an S:CE is dealt outside of combat) so it wouldn't be > aggravated. Correct. > DotB works after the end of the round - or is it at the end of the > round? Whether that's in combat or not I don't know. However, there is > an End of Round phase because the S:CE doesn't stop it. It is aggravated. At the end of a round is still during combat. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team