Muddled Vampire Hunter

Does Muddled Vampire Hunter inflict hand damage or not? So if I equip him with Sengir Dagger, is he going to be a really serious ass-whacker or not?-) -- msaari @jyu.fi

Mikko Saari wrote: > > Does Muddled Vampire Hunter inflict hand damage or not? So if I equip him with > Sengir Dagger, is he going to be a really serious ass-whacker or not?-) Hand damage is he strikes with hands. His strength is 4. If he strikes with the Sengir Dagger, he will do 4 aggravated damage. Card text (from WotC's spoiler list): Muddled Vampire Hunter 2 pool Malkavian Ally Unique Ally with 1 life. 4 hand damage, 0 bleed. Hunter strikes with First Strike. As a (D) action, Muddled Vampire Hunter may enter combat with any ready vampire. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

In article <7pp68o$1...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>, Mikko Saari <msa...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> writes >Does Muddled Vampire Hunter inflict hand damage or not? Yes. > So if I equip him with >Sengir Dagger, is he going to be a really serious ass-whacker or not?-) He will deal 4 aggravated damage when striking with the Dagger. Note that Immortal Grapple, going to range, Strike: Combat Ends and Strike: Dodge will all make his a slightly less serious ass-whacker. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.obeah.demon.co.uk

James Coupe <ve...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: > He will deal 4 aggravated damage when striking with the Dagger. Note > that Immortal Grapple, going to range, Strike: Combat Ends and Strike: > Dodge will all make his a slightly less serious ass-whacker. Does Dodge help even though he hits with First Strike? Ohwell, I wouldn't use him anyhow against combat-heavy opponent... just as a nice little boost for my Malks. -- msaari @jyu.fi

Mikko Saari wrote: > Does Dodge help even though [Muddled Vampire Hunter] hits with First Strike? 6.4.5. Strike Effects Dodge. A Dodge strike deals no damage, but it protects the dodging minion and his possessions from the effects of the opposing strike. Retainers are not protected, however. A Dodge is effective at any range. [ quoted text not captured ]

I thought the whole "First Strike" thing canceled out the dodge (unless the vamp somehow has a 'Dodge with First Strike' which seems kinda silly.) We always figured if a 'First Strike' sends someone to torpor (ie. Sengier.. Ivory Bow, etc) that the torp'd vamp has no opportunity for a return strike. Similarly, that considering the FS, the dodge would occur when the vamp's strike would normally occur, ie after the FS had been assessed. Was this an errata or were we always wrong? :) [ quoted text not captured ]

David Bowsky wrote: > > I thought the whole "First Strike" thing canceled out the dodge (unless > the vamp somehow has a 'Dodge with First Strike' which seems kinda > silly.) > > We always figured if a 'First Strike' sends someone to torpor (ie. > Sengier.. Ivory Bow, etc) that the torp'd vamp has no opportunity for a > return strike. > > Similarly, that considering the FS, the dodge would occur when the > vamp's strike would normally occur, ie after the FS had been assessed. > > Was this an errata or were we always wrong? :) It has always been this way, although the Jyhad rules could be read either way: Jyhad: "Dodge: The Dodge strike card deals no damage, but it negates the effect of the opponent's strike that round." [15.3] (note: no limitation of "unless the strike was done with first strike"). To clear up the ambiguity, the Rules Team issued the following Ruling: "Dodge will cancel a first strike." [RTR 22-DEC-1994] V:TES: "Dodge: A "dodge" deals no damage, but it prevents the effect of the opponent's strike that round, even if the opponent's strike was delivered with First Strike." [8.3] [ quoted text not captured ]

>We always figured if a 'First Strike' sends someone to torpor (ie. >Sengier.. Ivory Bow, etc) that the torp'd vamp has no opportunity for a >return strike. I would like it if First Strike would take effect before Dodge, and even before Strike: Combat Ends. I just hate S:CE. -T!mmy