psyche/rotschreck Q

Okay, Psyche will prevent the minion being rotschrecked from going to torpor. Does that card go on the victim still or is it totally cancelled? -JTP

[ quoted text not captured ] It goes on the victim. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"John P." <verg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<xhs5a.47247$7_.2...@news1.mts.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] Why do you ask John? ;P Pc.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3E566AB0...@white-wolf.com... > John P. wrote: > > Okay, > > > > Psyche will prevent the minion being rotschrecked from going to torpor. > > Does that card go on the victim still or is it totally cancelled? > > It goes on the victim. but the minion will untap at the next untap phase, and the card will never be burned, right? (since those are all effects that happen after combat ends)

charles lechasseur wrote: > but the minion will untap at the next untap phase, and the card will never > be burned, right? (since those are all effects that happen after combat > ends) No. Those are two effects of the card being in play. Contrast with the "go to torpor" effect of the play of the card. (e.g., if you rescue the victim, he doesn't immediately go to torpor just for having the card). The vampire with the card doesn't untap as normal. The Rotschreck is burned during the vampire's next untap phase. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E5B654...@white-wolf.com>... > charles lechasseur wrote: > > but the minion will untap at the next untap phase, and the card will never > > be burned, right? (since those are all effects that happen after combat > > ends) > > No. Those are two effects of the card being in play. Contrast with the > "go to torpor" effect of the play of the card. (e.g., if you rescue > the victim, he doesn't immediately go to torpor just for having the > card). > > The vampire with the card doesn't untap as normal. The Rotschreck is burned > during the vampire's next untap phase. A question that comes to my mind is why only the go to torpor effect is cancelled by the Psyche!, and not all of the effects?

[ quoted text not captured ] See the answer to exactly that above. Rotschreck's effect by play: 1) Put on target. 2) End combat. 3) Send target to torpor. If 2) doesn't occur or gets interrupted, 3) is lost. Additionally, Rotschreck has a certain effect as a card in play: *) This vampire doesn't untap as normal. *) This card is burned during the vampire's untap phase. Since the card is in play (the "put me into play" effect came before the end combat effect), it has the effect of being in play. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] *The vampire with this card* doesn't untap as normal. The vampire still has the card even if combat continues through Psyche!

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3E5BBD36...@white-wolf.com... > henrik ericsson wrote: > > A question that comes to my mind is why only the go to torpor effect > > is cancelled by the Psyche!, and not all of the effects? > > See the answer to exactly that above. > > Rotschreck's effect by play: > 1) Put on target. > 2) End combat. > 3) Send target to torpor. > > If 2) doesn't occur or gets interrupted, 3) is lost. > > Additionally, Rotschreck has a certain effect as a card in play: > *) This vampire doesn't untap as normal. > *) This card is burned during the vampire's untap phase. > > Since the card is in play (the "put me into play" effect came before the > end combat effect), it has the effect of being in play. > > -- > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ just for the sake of clarity, maybe it would be better to have a slight errata to the Rotschreck text? proposed clarified text (emphasis mine): "Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. WHILE THIS CARD REMAINS ON THIS VAMPIRE, {he or she} does not untap as normal. During this vampire's next untap phase, burn this card."

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E5BBD36...@white-wolf.com>... > henrik ericsson wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E5B654...@white-wolf.com>... > >>charles lechasseur wrote: [snip] > See the answer to exactly that above. > > Rotschreck's effect by play: > 1) Put on target. > 2) End combat. > 3) Send target to torpor. > > If 2) doesn't occur or gets interrupted, 3) is lost. > > Additionally, Rotschreck has a certain effect as a card in play: > *) This vampire doesn't untap as normal. > *) This card is burned during the vampire's untap phase. > > Since the card is in play (the "put me into play" effect came before the > end combat effect), it has the effect of being in play. Sorry. My mistake... I read the card text for the Jyhad version, where the order of the effects is different (combat ends, then thee card is put on the vampire), which is why I thought it was strange.

[ quoted text not captured ] So Rotschreck can be used as a damage prevention with untap penality? eg you use your own Rotchreck to stop all damage both Agg and Normal and the Psyche to continue combat.

mi...@brucehall250.anu.edu.au wrote: > So Rotschreck can be used as a damage prevention with untap penality? > > eg you use your own Rotchreck to stop all damage both Agg and Normal and > the Psyche to continue combat. Yes, if by "damage prevention" you mean "damage avoidance for both combatants". [ quoted text not captured ]