LSJ - Jyhad Quizz...

Good morning and welcome to the Jyhad quizz Show !! 1- A vampire with the soul gem on him is banished, then burned via Might of the camarilla. What happens ? a-the gem triggers ! yahee ! b-the gem doesn't work, too bad ... c-someone creates a new ruling =) 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the Camarilla or Gisela's power. Can the gisela play freak drive and daemonic possess the poor soul ? a-yeah, and it's a nasty combo ! b-no. There's something weird, i can't say why not, but no. c-put that on the Rt list for review ;) 3- A torporized vampire is burnt via Sacrificial lamb. Can the acting vampire play Ritual of bitter rose and/or soul stealing for blood gain ? a- yes ! by playing them both, i can replenish Quadir and his fidais ! b- no because something happens, but i can't remember what... c- mmm... reversal : diablerie is now photonic. It occurs at light speed and you can't play any effect even if you have superior temporis. 'monger said ! 4- Providing you have Intisar in play, can you give pool to an ally methuselah and choose to tap an already tapped vampire ? a-yup. b-nop c-you can't tap someone who's already tapped. Wait card text doesn't say " to tap " but rather "tap". Since you can tap someone already tapped for the purpose of brujah debate and toreador grand ball, but need not to not untap someone not tapped for the purpose of Riddle Phantastique... let me take an aspirin will you ? subsidiary question : 5- Is it possible to burn a borrowed vampire by impersonating him into Kyasid, playing The grandest trick + Rave ? a- yes. I'll use all those mind rapes, grandest tricks and clan impersonations... b- no. c-... (Note to LSJ : I admire your job on numerous points (except for the infamous "Rafastio controversy"), and everything inside this post is a joke. I hope you won't be offended by this, though, and if it is the case, i present you my apologies. Feel free to mail me a bunch of insults ;p )

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 3d13fcd7$0$21401$79c1...@nan-newsreader-02.noos.net... > Good morning and welcome to the Jyhad quizz Show !! > > 1- A vampire with the soul gem on him is banished, then burned via Might of > the camarilla. What happens ? > > a-the gem triggers ! yahee ! > b-the gem doesn't work, too bad ... > c-someone creates a new ruling =) b ! The Gem is considered out of game because the Vampire is uncontroled. > > 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the Camarilla or Gisela's > power. Can the gisela play freak drive and daemonic possess the poor soul ? > > a-yeah, and it's a nasty combo ! > b-no. There's something weird, i can't say why not, but no. > c-put that on the Rt list for review ;) d ! I think the Vampire wasn't controled when he was burned, so Daemonic Possession cannot be played, am I right ? > > 3- A torporized vampire is burnt via Sacrificial lamb. Can the acting > vampire play Ritual of bitter rose and/or soul stealing for blood gain ? > > a- yes ! by playing them both, i can replenish Quadir and his fidais ! > b- no because something happens, but i can't remember what... > c- mmm... reversal : diablerie is now photonic. It occurs at light speed and > you can't play any effect even if you have superior temporis. 'monger said ! d ! The acting Vamp cannot play RotBR because it's NOT a diablerie (nor combat) > > 4- Providing you have Intisar in play, can you give pool to an ally > methuselah and choose to tap an already tapped vampire ? > > a-yup. > b-nop > c-you can't tap someone who's already tapped. Wait card text doesn't say " > to tap " but rather "tap". Since you can tap someone already tapped for the > purpose of brujah debate and toreador grand ball, but need not to not untap > someone not tapped for the purpose of Riddle Phantastique... let me take an > aspirin will you ? a-yup > > > subsidiary question : > 5- Is it possible to burn a borrowed vampire by impersonating him into > Kyasid, playing The grandest trick + Rave ? > > a- yes. I'll use all those mind rapes, grandest tricks and clan > impersonations... > b- no. > c-... a- You must take the two actions in only one turn, not easy if the Borrowed Vampire hasn't FOR and you haven't got a Freak Drive in hand, for example. But otherwise, you can empty a minion by all his blood/life to fill (an)other Vamp(s) with Rave, nothing prevents this. If it was an ally, all is life is lost, so it's burned. The combo wins out ! Miller Delmardigan [ quoted text not captured ]

"reyda" posed the following questions: > 1- A vampire with the soul gem on him is banished, then burned > via Might of the camarilla. What happens ? b-the gem doesn't work, too bad ... All cards on a minion in the uncontrolled region are considered to be out of play and do not affect the minion until he returns to play. LSJ 2001-05-30 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3B1573BB.2017225C%40white-wolf.com > 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the > Camarilla or Gisela's power. Can the gisela play freak drive > and daemonic possess the poor soul ? b-no. Pertinent card text on Daemonic Possession: "controlled by another Methuselah" The vampires in your "uncontrolled" region are not controlled, by definition. LSJ 2002-02-08 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C63F473.FB54FF12%40white-wolf.com > 3- A torporized vampire is burnt via Sacrificial lamb. Can the > acting vampire play Ritual of bitter rose and/or soul stealing > for blood gain ? d - Ritual of the Bitter Rose - No, Soul Stealing - Yes Sacrificial Lamb is neither diablerie nor burning a vampire in combat. LSJ 2001-09-17 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3BA5E7F3.996E67A6%40white-wolf.com "Any burn-as-action will work [for Soul Stealing]." LSJ 2002-06-03 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3CFB64F5.E886A56B%40white-wolf.com > 4- Providing you have Intisar in play, can you give pool to an ally > methuselah and choose to tap an already tapped vampire ? a-yup. You can use Misdirection to tap a minion that is already tapped, and Intisar has the same text. [LSJ has not replied to any messages with Intisar in the text, yet.] (Misdirection answer) LSJ 2001-02-11 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9670o9%24kck%241%40nnrp1.deja.com > 5- Is it possible to burn a borrowed vampire by impersonating him into > Kyasid, playing The grandest trick + Rave ? a- yes. Consider using Precognizant Mobility to untap him after the Clan Impersonation action. Then you can get it all done on the same turn. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bafbff371c4a86ce8c3...@mygate.mailgate.org... > "reyda" posed the following questions: > > 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the > > Camarilla or Gisela's power. Can the gisela play freak drive > > and daemonic possess the poor soul ? > > b-no. > > Pertinent card text on Daemonic Possession: > "controlled by another Methuselah" > The vampires in your "uncontrolled" region are not controlled, > by definition. it seems logical, but... take a closer look at card text : Daemonic Possession [FN] [nec] Only usable when a minion controlled by another Methuselah has been burned since your last turn. Move that minion from his owner's ash heap to your ready region, put 1 blood or life from the blood bank on the minion and tap the minion. You now control the minion. [NEC] As above, but the minion is untapped. The vampire burnt via Gisela's ability was controlled the same turn, thus met the requirements dor Daemonic Possesion just before he reached the uncontrolled region. I can still argue that he was controlled since my last turn... Is it text lawyering ? maybe ... =) > > 5- Is it possible to burn a borrowed vampire by impersonating him into > > Kyasid, playing The grandest trick + Rave ? > > a- yes. > > Consider using Precognizant Mobility to untap him after the Clan > Impersonation action. Then you can get it all done on the same turn. Thought exactly the same since Julia, Bart' and Bea' do have auspex =) might be a never seen combo and a good news for all those grandest tricks stuck under the cupboard. thanks for your participation ! =)

"reyda" said > > > 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the > > > Camarilla or Gisela's power. Can the gisela play freak drive > > > and daemonic possess the poor soul ? I replied: > > b-no. > > Pertinent card text on Daemonic Possession: > > "controlled by another Methuselah" > > The vampires in your "uncontrolled" region are not controlled, > > by definition. "reyda" said: > it seems logical, but... take a closer look at card text : > The vampire burnt via Gisela's ability was controlled the same > turn, thus met the requirements dor Daemonic Possesion just before > he reached the uncontrolled region. I can still argue that he was > controlled since my last turn... Is it text lawyering ? maybe ... =) From the LSJ 2002-02-08 link that "reyda" snipped: ---------------------- FYI: Daemonic Possession only works for the Anisa case - it won't retrieve vampires burned from the uncontrolled region with Gisela (since they weren't "controlled by another Methuselah". -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ---------------------- LSJ 2002-02-08 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C63F473.FB54FF12%40white-wolf.com [ quoted text not captured ]

Miller Delmardigan wrote: > "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: > > 1- A vampire with the soul gem on him is banished, then burned via Might of > > the camarilla. What happens ? > > > > a-the gem triggers ! yahee ! > > b-the gem doesn't work, too bad ... > > c-someone creates a new ruling =) > > b ! The Gem is considered out of game because the Vampire is uncontroled. ding! Correct. > > 2- A vampire is banished, then burnt via Miht of the Camarilla or Gisela's > > power. Can the gisela play freak drive and daemonic possess the poor soul? > > > > a-yeah, and it's a nasty combo ! > > b-no. There's something weird, i can't say why not, but no. > > c-put that on the Rt list for review ;) > > d ! I think the Vampire wasn't controled when he was burned, so Daemonic > Possession cannot be played, am I right ? ding! The burned vampire was uncontrolled. DP requires another Methuselah to control it when it is burned. (card text) > > 3- A torporized vampire is burnt via Sacrificial lamb. Can the acting > > vampire play Ritual of bitter rose and/or soul stealing for blood gain ? > > > > a- yes ! by playing them both, i can replenish Quadir and his fidais ! > > b- no because something happens, but i can't remember what... > > c- mmm... reversal : diablerie is now photonic. It occurs at light speed and > > you can't play any effect even if you have superior temporis. 'monger said! > > d ! The acting Vamp cannot play RotBR because it's NOT a diablerie (nor > combat) ding! card text: "vampire being burned either by diablerie or while in combat with this vampire" > > 4- Providing you have Intisar in play, can you give pool to an ally > > methuselah and choose to tap an already tapped vampire ? > > > > a-yup. > > b-nop > > c-you can't tap someone who's already tapped. Wait card text doesn't say " > > to tap " but rather "tap". Since you can tap someone already tapped for the > > purpose of brujah debate and toreador grand ball, but need not to not untap > > someone not tapped for the purpose of Riddle Phantastique... let me take an > > aspirin will you ? > > a-yup ding! > > subsidiary question : > > 5- Is it possible to burn a borrowed vampire by impersonating him into > > Kyasid, playing The grandest trick + Rave ? > > > > a- yes. I'll use all those mind rapes, grandest tricks and clan > > impersonations... > > b- no. > > c-... > > a- You must take the two actions in only one turn, not easy if the Borrowed > Vampire hasn't FOR and you haven't got a Freak Drive in hand, for example. > But otherwise, you can empty a minion by all his blood/life to fill > (an)other Vamp(s) with Rave, nothing prevents this. If it was an ally, all > is life is lost, so it's burned. The combo wins out ! ding! > > (Note to LSJ : I admire your job on numerous points (except for the infamous > > "Rafastio controversy"), and everything inside this post is a joke. I hope > > you won't be offended by this, though, and if it is the case, i present you > > my apologies. Feel free to mail me a bunch of insults ;p ) I see no offense in't. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Miller Delmardigan" <al...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message news:3d1430e9$0$10849$7a62...@news.club-internet.fr... Miller was the first to be correct on all counts =) We have a winner here ! you win a dedicaced copy of Navar Mc Laren -hem, dedicaced by me, by the way ! mail me for further details. (re...@noos.fr) if you don't claim your prize, it will be granted to the next winner =D thank you for playing ! reyda