[LSJ] Heidelberg Caste & Baltimore Purge

Timing Question: I have Heidelberg Castle in play. Gratiano has a Baltimore Purge and it is my untap phase. Requires a ready vampire. If this vampire is Ravnos, this action is at +1 stealth. Put this card on the acting vampire. During your untap phase, burn this card, and each other Methuselah chooses a ready vampire he or she controls who is not older than this vampire. If you control a ready Lasombra, you choose the vampires instead. This vampire and the chosen vampires go to torpor. Is there time after the *choice* and before the *chosen vampires go to torpor* to tap the Heidelberg Castle? The use of the Heidelberg is not during an action, so I do not see why not. I just wanted to make sure, David Wilson

David Wilson, Mask of a Thousand Names wrote: > Timing Question: > > I have Heidelberg Castle in play. Gratiano has a Baltimore Purge and > it is my untap phase. > > Requires a ready vampire. If this vampire is Ravnos, this action is at > +1 stealth. Put this card on the acting vampire. During your untap > phase, burn this card, and each other Methuselah chooses a ready > vampire he or she controls who is not older than this vampire. If you > control a ready Lasombra, you choose the vampires instead. This vampire > and the chosen vampires go to torpor. > > Is there time after the *choice* and before the *chosen vampires go to > torpor* to tap the Heidelberg Castle? Tap HC before the choice. > The use of the Heidelberg is not during an action, so I do not see why > not. I just wanted to make sure, > > David Wilson > -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ, > > Is there time after the *choice* and before the *chosen vampires go to > > torpor* to tap the Heidelberg Castle? > > Tap HC before the choice. > > > The use of the Heidelberg is not during an action, so I do not see why > > not. I just wanted to make sure, > > your response of Tap Heidelburg before the choice is a little less than satisfying. Are you saying that there is not time after the choice and before the chosen go to torpor? If so, why not? David

David Wilson, Mask of a Thousand Names wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I'm saying that it doesn't matter, since you can tap it before the choice. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:zwDEd.97753$uM5....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > David Wilson, Mask of a Thousand Names wrote: >> your response of Tap Heidelburg before the choice is a little less than >> satisfying. >> >> Are you saying that there is not time after the choice and before the >> chosen go to torpor? >> >> If so, why not? > > I'm saying that it doesn't matter, since you can tap it before the > choice. I'm not sure I find your answer as strange as David seems to. But I do think it clearly matters: I imagine David is considering the case of a Methuselah who wants to use the Heidelberg prior to the effect of the purge (likely to remove equipment, retainers, and/or blood from a minion destined for torpor) but also wants the information gleened from the decisions made in order to know which little piggies are going to torpor and which ones are staying home. Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message >>I'm saying that it doesn't matter, since you can tap it before the >>choice. > > I'm not sure I find your answer as strange as David seems to. But I > do think it clearly matters: I imagine David is considering the case > of a Methuselah who wants to use the Heidelberg prior to the effect > of the purge (likely to remove equipment, retainers, and/or blood from > a minion destined for torpor) but also wants the information gleened > from the decisions made in order to know which little piggies are going > to torpor and which ones are staying home. David's case was one where the Methuselah with the Purge and a Lasombra controlled the Castle, so it really doesn't matter -- that Methuselah makes all the choices. In your case, though, it would. In that case, yes, you can tap the Castle after the Purger has made his or her selections. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > David's case was one where the Methuselah with the Purge and a Lasombra > controlled the Castle, so it really doesn't matter -- that Methuselah > makes all the choices. > > In your case, though, it would. > > In that case, yes, you can tap the Castle after the Purger has > made his or her selections. Does that extend to, eg, New Inquisition? If I have HC, one vamp with one blood, and one vamp with 0 blood, and my predator chooses the 0 blood vamp during his untap to take a point of damage, can I tap the HC to transfer the blood over? Can I tap the HC before it's destroyed by an Unnatural Disaster? --Colin McGuigan

"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:moydnf5Wa-u...@speakeasy.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Good point. You're right. The application of the Purge is an effect and should be treated as such -- no response stack. (Reversal of previous ruling above). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

LSJ wrote: > Good point. > > You're right. The application of the Purge is an effect and should > be treated as such -- no response stack. > > (Reversal of previous ruling above). w00t! --Colin McGuigan