TBA vampire?

As everyone has probably noticed by now, there's a TBA vampire on the checklist. Personally I would have expected Huitzi advanced in the set, him being the biggest, baddest Baali of 'em all, but this doesn't seem to be the case, given that the TBA Baali is alphabetically after Maureen. Or maybe the sneaky WW people have just mixed up the order a bit to keep us guessing? One possibility would of course be Shaitan. Although him as a separate vamp would mean that Huitzi isn't really Shaitan. :) Or, well, there's always the chance that it isn't a Baali at all, but this doesn't seem very probable. (As a side note, there seem to be five (or maybe just four, we'll see) new Baali in the set. Might this fact be used to make the assumption that the grouping rule will change to allow eg. group 2 and 4 vampires in the same crypt?) --CV

That would be why they've only posted 4 Baali with the TBA headliner there. Ladies (the few of you here) and Gentlement! The new grouping rules hath cometh! (probably what one of the new rules are at the bottom of each set of three...)

Ooh god I really do hope so.... any 2 groups would be a lot better than the current rule. Im a little dissapointed there isnt going to be a full starter of new baali but any is better than none at all. Piers "Screaming Vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1106179789....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Yeah, the lack of baali here makes me believe that they are going to HAVE to reprint the G2 Baalie in the Baali starter, hence the need for the Grouping change.

Ladies (the few of you here) and Gentlement! The new grouping rules hath cometh! yeah, that's exactly what i said some time ago. It is quite certain that we are going to see an new grouping rule, or a modification to the existing. George

Yeah, the lack of baali here makes me believe that they are going to HAVE to reprint the G2 Baalie in the Baali starter, hence the need for the Grouping change. Well, it is not only because of the Baali. They will also release new Bloodline vampires, it is quite certain that they understood that it is not possible to print a whole new set of G4 bloodlines, it would be kind of stupid, so i guess they decided to make bloodline playing more flexible. Let's wait and see if the grouping rule will allow just 1-2 or more of G2 bloodline vamps to be played with G4, or what ? George

As everyone has probably noticed by now, there's a TBA vampire on the checklist. Personally I would have expected Huitzi advanced in the set, him being the biggest, baddest Baali of 'em all, but this doesn't seem to be the case, given that the TBA Baali is alphabetically after Maureen. Or maybe the sneaky WW people have just mixed up the order a bit to keep us guessing? I don't think that they mixed the order... One possibility would of course be Shaitan. Although him as a separate vamp would mean that Huitzi isn't really Shaitan. :) Shaitan sounds possible... I am guessing that the TBA vampire (which is 99,9% a Baali) will be a big, mean, badass one... so Shaitan sounds possible... Or, well, there's always the chance that it isn't a Baali at all, but this doesn't seem very probable. It could be a Brujah, but i don't think so... Additionaly, if another Brujah is released, then it will surely be a Baali. (As a side note, there seem to be five (or maybe just four, we'll see) new Baali in the set. Might this fact be used to make the assumption that the grouping rule will change to allow eg. group 2 and 4 vampires in the same crypt?) yeah, i expect that, but not as simple like "you can mix g2 with g4 bloodlines"... maybe something like "you can mix 2 g2org4 bloodlines with g4 or g2 bloodlines..." Well, we'll see... George

On 20 Jan 2005 02:26:56 -0800, geo...@for.auth.gr wrote: >As everyone has probably noticed by now, there's a TBA vampire on the >checklist. Personally I would have expected Huitzi advanced in the set, > >him being the biggest, baddest Baali of 'em all, but this doesn't seem >to be the case, given that the TBA Baali is alphabetically after >Maureen. Or maybe the sneaky WW people have just mixed up the order a >bit to keep us guessing? > >I don't think that they mixed the order... Not to sound sardonic, but why are people so quick to think that it's necessarily been placed out of order, if it's Huitzi? Assuming for a start that it is a Baali, it's TBA. Starts with a T. Until it is revealed, it's place in the list SHOULD come after M. Makes sense to me. In a round about fashion. Morgan Vening

Morgan Vening wrote: > Assuming for a > start that it is a Baali, it's TBA. Starts with a T. Until it is > revealed, it's place in the list SHOULD come after M. Yeah, good point. Didn't think of it like that myself. Concerning the possible new grouping rule or changes to it (pure speculation here, of course), I hope it's not overtly complicated so that new players won't get more confused. The current one is sometimes hard enough to explain clearly to newbies, so it'd be good if the new one would be along the lines of "any two groups may mix in a crypt". As to how a rule such as that would affect the game as a whole, well, I won't even start on that. --CV

Not to sound sardonic, but why are people so quick to think that it's necessarily been placed out of order, if it's Huitzi? Assuming for a start that it is a Baali, it's TBA. Starts with a T. Until it is revealed, it's place in the list SHOULD come after M. Makes sense to me. In a round about fashion. good point... Though if it is Huitzi advanced, then why not just announce it ? i mean, Count Germaine and Tariq Advanced have been announced, imo Tariq advanced will be the one who will be dearly expected, as to see what they have done with him (except of marking them as red list of course)... an increase of 2 to capacity while he is controlled ? or what ? So, unless WW feels like playing games with us, it should be some big, fat, kick ass Baali, even greater than his unholiness Huitzilopochtli (which i dearly love, as he is loving to call the great beast and then let the beast of Carlotta to possess him back). We can only wait and see... But when ??? Does anybody know when about they will announce it ?

Not to sound sardonic, but why are people so quick to think that it's necessarily been placed out of order, if it's Huitzi? Assuming for a start that it is a Baali, it's TBA. Starts with a T. Until it is revealed, it's place in the list SHOULD come after M. Makes sense to me. In a round about fashion. [ quoted text not captured ]

"The Cadaverous Verger" <cadavero...@REMOVETHISpriest.com> wrote in message news:csmn7f$11h5$1...@bowmore.utu.fi... > As everyone has probably noticed by now, there's a TBA vampire on the > checklist. Personally I would have expected Huitzi advanced in the set, > him being the biggest, baddest Baali of 'em all, but this doesn't seem > to be the case, given that the TBA Baali is alphabetically after > Maureen. Or maybe the sneaky WW people have just mixed up the order a > bit to keep us guessing? > I think it could be a Baali, or a Brujah, or a member of the "clan" that is between them in an alphabetical list: Blood Brothers. I hope it will be a Blood Brother. It would nice to get at least one new vampire for each non-scarce bloodline. If I remeber LSJ correctly he said something like that: The clans that already received group 4 vampires won't get any vampires of group 1, 2 or 3, i.e. groups 1, 2 and 3 are full for those clans. Exception: advanced versions? This leaves room for hope that the bloodlines will get group 3 vampires. In the meantime the Baali got one group 3 vampire - Barbaro. regards pallando -- pallando(at)gmx(dot)at

geo...@for.auth.gr wrote: > Does anybody know when about they will announce it ? Probably during the prerelease weekend when the checklist is complete. You know, it could be a Baali 11 cap... SAULOT. :) --CV

If I remeber LSJ correctly he said something like that: The clans that already received group 4 vampires won't get any vampires of group 1, 2 or 3, i.e. groups 1, 2 and 3 are full for those clans. Exception: advanced versions? This leaves room for hope that the bloodlines will get group 3 vampires. In the meantime the Baali got one group 3 vampire - Barbaro. The new Baali (Maureen) is G4, so no chances to see G3 bloodline members. George

Probably during the prerelease weekend when the checklist is complete. Shit!!!! i am leaving for obligatory military service on the 7th of Feb, so i am going to miss a lot of previews. Hopefuly, i am going to take 3 day off on about the 25th of Feb, so i am going to check them then. You know, it could be a Baali 11 cap... SAULOT. :) Well, i have thought of this (a 11 cap Baali), but i don't think that this scenario has a lot of chances, with Baali being a bloodline, bla bla bla... George

<geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote in message news:1106229600.2...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > The new Baali (Maureen) is G4, so no chances to see G3 bloodline > members. Barbaro is group 3. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

<geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote in message news:1106224272.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > good point... Though if it is Huitzi advanced, then why not just > announce it ? Indeed. > i mean, Count Germaine and Tariq Advanced have been announced, imo > Tariq advanced will be the one who will be dearly expected, as to see > what they have done with him (except of marking them as red list of > course)... > an increase of 2 to capacity while he is controlled ? or what ? > > So, unless WW feels like playing games with us, it should be some big, > fat, > kick ass Baali, even greater than his unholiness Huitzilopochtli (which > i dearly > love, as he is loving to call the great beast and then let the beast of > Carlotta to > possess him back). It's not done for playing games' sake. It's done because the alphabet and propriety were at odds in this case (and in another, but the other is suitable enough to hold off on without the placeholder). > We can only wait and see... But when ??? > Does anybody know when about they will announce it ? Yeah, I do. :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

> The new Baali (Maureen) is G4, so no chances to see G3 bloodline > members. Barbaro is group 3. Yeah, but barbaro is not a KMW set vampire, i was talking about KMW vampires... Anyway i truly hope to see some G3 bloodline vampires, because that would help a lot, if the new grouping rule (that we expect) do not allow some (if not total) use of G2 and G4 bloodline vampire cards in the same deck. LSJ, as i have stated elsewhere, i am going away for 1,5 year of obligatory military service, with the first 4 months being tough (Though i am going to preorder 2 boxes of KMW starters and boosters, before i leave, as KMW is definetely a set i don't want to miss). So, how about giving me a break and secretely sending me, before the 7th of Feb which is the day of my departure, the KMW spoilers ? With me taking an oath never to confirm the rumors of a poor guy from Greece that had the KMW spoilers sent to him, an unbreakable oath to keep my mouth shut or never hold a vtes card in my hands again ? :) Well, i don't imply anything, but if you decide to have pity on my damned ill-fated soul, you know my email address... George

"Well, i don't imply anything, but if you decide to have pity on my damned ill-fated soul, you know my email address..." Do you live in one of those other contries that MAKE you sign up for the military or something? (then again you probably get free health care, so don't feel bad for yourself... pity us Americans) BTW LSJ almost never gives out secret information to people, unless its in te form of some kind of agreement/playtesting thingy, AFAIK. Good luck to you, though! (in the military and what not).

I think it was geo...@for.auth.gr <geo...@for.auth.gr>, who once wrote: > > > The new Baali (Maureen) is G4, so no chances to see G3 bloodline > > > members. > > > > Barbaro is group 3. > > Yeah, but barbaro is not a KMW set vampire, i was talking > about KMW vampires... I think LSJ's comment about groups being 'full' doesn't preclude group 3 vampires in KMW. He just said that any clan that received group 4 vampires in a set, will *thereafter* not see more lower grouped ones. Like in the Gehenna expansion, where some clans like the Gangrel Antitribu got both group 3 and group 4 vampires, the Baali could get group 3 and 4 vampires in KMW. However, considering that bloodlines are supposed to support other vampires, and not work on their own, and considering that in the Bloodlines set, 5 Baali was apparently enough, I think the new vampires will be group 4, with Barbaro in the middle to join either set. The rest of the starter will be support vampires of various clans. And the TBA vampire will be Rogar, a super powerful 13-cap. ;) Rogar

Do you live in one of those other contries that MAKE you sign up for the military or something? (then again you probably get free health care, so don't feel bad for yourself... pity us Americans) i live in Greece, where there is obligatory military service of 1 year for every man. I'll do 17 months, because i am going to apply to become some sort of officer, that means that they kick your ass in the first 4 months, but later on you can live outside of the military camp (you just spend 8 hours/every day in the camp and do what you have to do + 3 noons/nights per month) and you get paid some money ($600 + 150 if you serve at the borders). BTW LSJ almost never gives out secret information to people, unless its in te form of some kind of agreement/playtesting thingy, AFAIK. Good luck to you, though! (in the military and what not). Well, i kinda saw that coming, but who knows... maybe he'll feel pitty for my sorry ass, who will be constantly kicked for 4 months while you guys will be playing with your new KMW goodies... George

That's fine. Bythe time you've settled after your 4 month duty, we'll be able to tell you what's ACTUALLY good in the KMW set by then, or so.

i wrote: if you decide to have pity on my damned ill-fated soul, you know my email address... well, obviously you don't know my address, so in case you want to cheer me up and send me some spoilers.... my address is geo...@for.auth.gr , though i know that big chances are that you won't. George