Cards for Sale

Hi, i know its against the rules of this news group, but anyway i am going to sell my cards if you are interessted check out my inventory here: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9505860/card.html thanks stefan

[ quoted text not captured ] It is against the rules and yet you still do it.....? Thw combind word for you (8 letters) starts with D and ends with D. You work it out.

Stefan Ferenci wrote: > i know its against the rules of this news group, but anyway i am going > to sell my cards if you are interessted check out my inventory here: Dude. Don't make me e-mail you the FAQ... Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "So in conclusion, our business plan is to sell hot, easily spilled liquids to naked people." -Brittni Meil

[ quoted text not captured ] no need to mail it i know the faq stefan

[ quoted text not captured ] cant figure it out please tell me stefan

"Stefan Ferenci" <nos...@thankyou.com> schreef in bericht news:429aef76$0$10836$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at... > Hi, > > i know its against the rules of this news group, but anyway i am going to > sell my cards to make this on-topic: are you quitting the game? or just selling of extras? and your list isn't really legible (sp?) Jeroen

[ quoted text not captured ] your not gettin rid of me so easily ;-) just selling the extras. i know the format sucks right now. i´ll improved that during the week stefan

"Stefan Ferenci" <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote in message news:429b59e4$0$12384$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at... > Jeroen Rombouts wrote: > > "Stefan Ferenci" <nos...@thankyou.com> schreef in bericht > > news:429aef76$0$10836$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at... > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>i know its against the rules of this news group, but anyway i am going to > >>sell my cards > > > > > > to make this on-topic: are you quitting the game? or just selling of extras? > > and your list isn't really legible (sp?) > > > > Jeroen > > > > > your not gettin rid of me so easily ;-) *plonk* yeah that was easy.

Stefan Ferenci wrote: > no need to mail it i know the faq Yeah, see, if you knew that FAQ, you'd know not to post sales posts. Which is why the hassling. And the offers to mail it to you. As it points out the no sales posts. [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija schrieb: [ quoted text not captured ] Peter, I am curious. What happens if someone just ignores the FAQ? (and no Stefan, I am not asking because of you, I am just curious:) ) Andreas

[ quoted text not captured ] If people like to be arrogant and very selfish, they act like this. Actually they are farting in the general direction of everyone else on this group..euchh!!, that post on this group according to what it is meant for..(see FAQ).

alam...@hotmail.com schrieb: >>Peter, >> >>I am curious. >> >>What happens if someone just ignores the FAQ? (and no Stefan, I am not >>asking because of you, I am just curious:) ) >> >>Andreas > > > If people like to be arrogant and very selfish, they act like this. > Actually they are farting in the general direction of everyone else on > this group..euchh!!, that post on this group according to what it is > meant for..(see FAQ). I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested in consequenses (if there are) other than personal consequenses like "we do not like this and so on". Andreas

Andreas Nusser wrote: > alam...@hotmail.com schrieb: >> If people like to be arrogant and very selfish, they act like this. >> Actually they are farting in the general direction of everyone else on >> this group..euchh!!, that post on this group according to what it is >> meant for..(see FAQ). > > > I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested in > consequenses (if there are) other than personal consequenses like "we do > not like this and so on". USENET is unregulated in that regard. There are no other consequences (unless you count Prisoner's Dilemma consequences, self interest vs. enlightened self interest, where this sort of thing signals the end of USENET :-). -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 LSJ wrote: | Andreas Nusser wrote: | |> I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested |> in consequenses (if there are) other than personal consequenses like |> "we do not like this and so on". | | USENET is unregulated in that regard. There are no other consequences | (unless you count Prisoner's Dilemma consequences, self interest vs. | enlightened self interest, where this sort of thing signals the end | of USENET :-). Note that it's a violation of the USENET FAQ to post anything related to the possible doom of USENET without also including "film at 11". ;) However, what ends up happening is that since USENET is unregulated, everyone (each community) is expected to regulate themselves. Typically the goals of a) retaining the respect of, and b) preserving the community are sufficient for people to not act counter to each individual group's FAQ. When you see people intentionally acting counter to the FAQ, it's generally an indicator that they don't care about a) or b) anymore. When _enough_ people do this, the signal to noise ratio becomes unbearable and the newsgroup becomes useless as the people who care about content wander off in search of a forum that isn't littered with trash. So about all you can do is post the FAQ in response as a reminder to everyone else; "hey, that doesn't belong here." Parallel: When was the last time you saw someone get a ticket for littering? - -- Derek TINC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCnEzQtQZlu3o7QpERAoyFAJ427hGMmnYbqqOTS+XBSdNO4LFoEQCgr3cS EJYRHay4jVZ6Fwzn8q5XpJ4= =spSY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Derek Ray schrieb: > Parallel: When was the last time you saw someone get a ticket for > littering? That happens sometimes. At least in two major cities in my neighborhood. The city administration hired people especially for writing trash tickets. We call them "trashy cops". Andreas

Andreas wrote: >What happens if someone just ignores the FAQ? (and no Stefan, I am not >asking because of you, I am just curious:) ) We hassle them. As pointed out, usenet is a self regulating environment--unless the newsgroup is moderated (some are, most aren't--this one isn't) which means someone has to ok every post, people post what they want. But if everyone goes flying off topic all the time, the newsgroup ceases to be useful, as there is way too much non-relevant discussion that no one wants to sift through, and as fewer and fewer people become willing to sift through irrelevant information, less relevant information is posted, and the newsgroup eventually withers and dies, crushed under a pile of off topic drivel. This newsgroup (rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad), when created, included in its charter (which is in the newsgroup FAQ) the stipulation that trade/sales posts were not to be part of the discussion, as there was fear of such discussion overwhelming the newsgroup. As a result, trade and sales posts aren't allowed, any more than lengthy discussions of anything else off topic. Is something going to happen if someone posts a sales/trade post, like they will have their posting privledges revoked or something? No. But they'll likely get hassled by people interested in keeping the newsgroup in working order. -Peter

if only the format :)) your prices are what amuses me so much.. anyway, good luck finding buyers :)

Alias wrote: > if only the format i already changed the format it should be better now stefan

Jeroen Rombouts wrote: > to make this on-topic: ... Can a off-topic post become on-topic? ;-)

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:KhXme.10842$uR4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Andreas Nusser wrote: >> alam...@hotmail.com schrieb: >>> If people like to be arrogant and very selfish, they act like this. >>> Actually they are farting in the general direction of everyone else on >>> this group..euchh!!, that post on this group according to what it is >>> meant for..(see FAQ). >> >> I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested in consequenses (if there are) other than personal >> consequenses like "we do not like this and so on". > > USENET is unregulated in that regard. There are no other consequences The age-old cry was always, "I'll report you to your network administrator and you'll get your account removed!" It has been known to happen although I suspect it happens a lot less in reality than in the claims of various would-be net.cops who brag about it. The main consequences to a regular poster are derision, loss of credibility, and being wildly frowned upon. Hear about it and tremble. Fred

"Stefan Ferenci" <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote in message news:429aef76$0$10836$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at... [ quoted text not captured ] You know, people generally associate people who can not follow simple rules with those capable of breaking more serious rules such as theft, fraud and the like. I never have nor ever will buy from somoene who posts sales on newsgroups that do not allow it because more often than not, they are not the type of people you want to hand your money to and hope you will actually get anything back. You may not be a thief or a fraud, but your conduct here is not a huge character reference. Oh, and your prices are not even cheap (I had to look to see how desperate you were). :P

Nvim wrote: > > > You know, people generally associate people who can not follow simple rules > with those capable of breaking more serious rules such as theft, fraud and > the like. > you know people, who are not able to see the difference between posting on a newsgroup about card sales (and hurting noone with it) and stealing or cheating (and therefore hurting other people), are plain and simple stupid. that you write something like this, shows me your limited mental capabilities. cheers mate

In message <429f3815$0$12384$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at>, Stefan Ferenci <nos...@thankyou.com> writes: >you know people, who are not able to see the difference between posting >on a newsgroup about card sales (and hurting noone with it) and >stealing or cheating (and therefore hurting other people), are plain >and simple stupid. And people who post card sales where they know they're not wanted are intellectual giants, I'm sure. You are in no position to lecture anyone about being stupid. It may also be worth noting that people often refuse to buy from spammers. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

> You know, people generally associate people who can not follow simple > rules with those capable of breaking more serious rules such as theft, > fraud and the like. And that's why you have the president you deserve.

Sascha wrote: >And that's why you have the president you deserve. Much like the original post of this thread, this sort of wildly off topic and inflamatory posting is also not appropriate for this forum. Hows about we all just move along here--Stefan, don't post sales posts on the newsgroup. Sascha, don't post wildly random troll-bait. Everyone else, let's just let the thread die and move along. -Peter

<pd...@lightlink.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1117737149....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hows about we all just move along here--Stefan, don't post sales posts > on the newsgroup. Sascha, don't post wildly random troll-bait. Everyone > else, let's just let the thread die and move along. Agreed.

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:48:11 +0200, Stefan Ferenci <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Your behaviour is probably best assessed as irresponsible and selfish. And you are arguably hurting people. You contribute your small share to the demolition of a self-regulated newsgroup. People who expect to encounter VTES-related non-commercial information here are deprived of that in two particular ways; directly, you posted something contrary to the charter, and indirectly, as a consequence, you started a thread whose ambiguity is matched only by its off-topicness. That said, I do not think you were motivated by malice, or even a scorn for the community; your conscious neglection of the rules merely demonstrates a far from immaculate social character. For obvious reasons, I will not condemn you for that, even though I disapprove of it in this particular instance. -- Bye, Daneel

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:13:22 -0700, Frederick Scott <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote: > The main consequences to a regular poster are derision, loss of > credibility, > and being wildly frowned upon. Hear about it and tremble. *trembles* -- Bye, Daneel

Daneel wrote: > Your behaviour is probably best assessed as irresponsible and selfish. No, no, really. Let's just all let it die. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:27:19 -0400, Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: > Daneel wrote: > >> Your behaviour is probably best assessed as irresponsible and selfish. > > No, no, really. Let's just all let it die. Common sense is not amonst my most shining merits. I was directly responding to a misconception. The quoted line is not the point, it is just part of the analysis. -- Bye, Daneel

pd...@lightlink.com wrote: > Everyone > else, let's just let the thread die and move along. > > -Peter > why not ignore it in the first place? (you were the second one to reply) stefan

Daneel wrote: > your conscious neglection of the rules merely demonstrates > a far from immaculate social character. daneel i wish you wouldnt hide behind a nickname, i was at the hungarian qualifier last week and would really have loved to meet you in person. your posts make me laugh a lot. stefan

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:47:41 +0200, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] presumably if someone is a dick often enough, the 'respected' members of the group, whatever aritrary group you want to assign that to, will kill list/ignore the offender. and thus the quality, or perhaps perceived quality, of subjects and the resulting posts begat by them will fall, making it even less desirable for others to read their posts, until no one is reading them at all, and thus there is no point in them posting at all, and thus they fade from view like the morning mists...... salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:17:58 +0200, Stefan Ferenci <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote: > Daneel wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] well stefan i dont really see any relevance this makes to the current topic of course you had to write something even if it is completely irrelevant and pointless if you really wish to meet me in person that can be arranged anytime like the ec this fall but i suspect that wasn't really your point anyway also your email doesnt seem to work well anyway nice to see another fan bye -- Bye, Daneel

Daneel wrote: if you really wish to meet me in person that > can be arranged anytime like the ec this fall but i suspect that wasn't > really your point no i really tried to meet you (ask atilla), so next time i am in budapest at a tourney please show yourself stefan

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:48:14 +0200, Stefan Ferenci <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote: > Daneel wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Attila knows me. I'll verify your statement with him. Nevertheless, you no longer have to look for me, next time you're here, I'll be looking for you. -- Bye, Daneel

"Sascha Neumayr" <sascha....@gmx.net> wrote in message news:429f4757$0$28136$91ce...@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at... [ quoted text not captured ] I have a president?! Nobody told me...

"Stefan Ferenci" <nos...@thankyou.com> wrote in message news:429f3815$0$12384$3b21...@usenet.univie.ac.at... [ quoted text not captured ] You are hurting me... I am deeply hurt by your attempt to sell cards on this newsgroup. See, you are a very bad person. :P Yes, my mental abilities are limited yet I can follow simple rules. Can you?

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frederick Scott wrote: | "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message | news:KhXme.10842$uR4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... | |>>I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested in consequenses (if there are) other than personal |>>consequenses like "we do not like this and so on". |> |>USENET is unregulated in that regard. There are no other consequences | | The age-old cry was always, "I'll report you to your network administrator | and you'll get your account removed!" It has been known to happen although Not to sound argumentative, but can you provide a single verified instance of this happening? :) I have never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, since 1991, seen someone's ISP jerk their account for _only_ violating a newsgroup FAQ. I have seen it happen for posting MAKE.MONEY.FAST, I've seen it for spamming multiple newsgroups with personal-cause related rants (Serdar Argic)... in other words, I've seen it for a lot of borderline-illegal things that violated the ISP's TOS; but never for someone posting a "For Sale" message in an unmoderated group that doesn't like "For Sale" messages. | I suspect it happens a lot less in reality than in the claims of various | would-be net.cops who brag about it. Yeah. It happens zero percent of the time, in fact. The "I'll report you to your ISP" threats have never actually worked unless the offender was posting, like, child-porn binaries to rec.pets.cats or something. You know, something the ISP itself can maybe if they're unlucky get in trouble for. | The main consequences to a regular poster are derision, loss of credibility, | and being wildly frowned upon. Hear about it and tremble. Fred? The main consequences of being a regular poster here in the first place are often derision, loss of credibility, and being wildly frowned upon. =) - -- Derek HI CARNIVORE! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCoFZqtQZlu3o7QpERArS1AKCI81do9gmS6QNMu1IIF8PaZ14AHgCeL8TP oOs3ZVHO5cG0jXRfOGJxsuc= =SP3D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Ferenci wrote: | pd...@lightlink.com wrote: | |> Everyone |> else, let's just let the thread die and move along. | | why not ignore it in the first place? (you were the second one to reply) Because ignoring the initial post isn't the appropriate response. You posted a "bad post". Peter posted a "bad dog!" post. That should have been the end of it, except for some of the meta-conversation about why "bad dog!" got posted, and why it's a bad post in the first place; all well and good, maybe others won't bad-post, maybe they will. All the masturbatory crap (Sascha's post is one of the weakest, most obvious trolls I've seen in awhile), though, and the hyperbolic personal attacks telling you you're obviously a THEEF and a CRIMINULE? Yeah, THAT crap needs to go away. - -- Derek insert clever quotation here -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCoFd/tQZlu3o7QpERArL1AJ93Zr5+iwDbsf0KW7XlMTTfEVmICgCfd/aO WhQ0ITRwc2g1bKzQN4/bfSE= =k74N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Derek Ray wrote: . > > You posted a "bad post". Peter posted a "bad dog!" post. That should > have been the end of it, except for some of the meta-conversation about > why "bad dog!" got posted, and why it's a bad post in the first place; > all well and good, maybe others won't bad-post, maybe they will. i agree with you derek, i think i deserved a little clap on my fingers, but the rest was way out of line. you gonna be at gencon? stefan >

"Derek Ray" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6bmdnWx2KNP...@giganews.com... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Frederick Scott wrote: > | "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message > | news:KhXme.10842$uR4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > | > |>>I am more curious about consequense, if any! And I am more interested > |>>in consequenses (if there are) other than personal > |>>consequenses like "we do not like this and so on". > | > |>USENET is unregulated in that regard. There are no other consequences > | > | The age-old cry was always, "I'll report you to your network administrator > | and you'll get your account removed!" It has been known to happen > > Not to sound argumentative, but can you provide a single verified > instance of this happening? :) Not at this point, no. It has been years since I've seen any real talk about it. I recall being convinced it had happened once or twice but I don't recall why. And, no, I have never watched a network admin go through the physical steps of deleting an account. > I have never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, since 1991, seen someone's ISP > jerk their account for _only_ violating a newsgroup FAQ. Not for just a single incident, no. Of course, you have to remember, in the late '80s and early '90s, an account with access to the Internet and/or Usenet in some fashion was a much rarer thing, pre-AOL, before whole companies were routinely wired and administrated for that kind of access. Network admins at many companies could actually remember the list of individual members holding such accounts. And at that time, flamewars over this kind often devolved into guys writing each other's admins via e-mail (addressing ad...@x.com or ro...@x.com or whatever) and bitching and moaning. Every admin I ever talked to always said, "Please, don't make me deal with this!" Most tended to flip the finger at the person doing the complaining unless the offenses were absolutely egregious but they might also chew out their own guy, too. I suspect someone might lose his account if that person didn't cease to cause his admin headaches and if his having an account wasn't crucial to his employer's needs (which it often wasn't). > I've seen it for a lot of borderline-illegal things that violated > the ISP's TOS; but never for someone posting a "For Sale" message in > an unmoderated group that doesn't like "For Sale" messages. No. Agreed, it didn't happen just for the odd "For Sale" message. It might come up during the subsequent giant flame war about the RIGHT to post "For Sale" messages, but even then it was almost always just talk. > | The main consequences to a regular poster are derision, loss of > | credibility, and being wildly frowned upon. Hear about it and tremble. > > Fred? The main consequences of being a regular poster here in the first > place are often derision, loss of credibility, and being wildly frowned > upon. =) Well, yea, but... (mumbles something about the derision being more apparent or something...) Fred

Stefan Ferenci wrote: > why not ignore it in the first place? (you were the second one to reply) 'Cause, as pointed out, you were breaking the rules, and if people aren't called out when they break the rules, they continue to break the rules. And then other people see them breaking the rules with no repercussions, and then they start to break the rules too. And then the newsgroup devolves into a huge pile of e-bay pointers and "Buy my cardz!" posts. You broke the rules. I called you on it. It could have ended there, but sadly, it evolved into a bunch of crazy personal attacks and random troll baiting. Which is why I asked folks to let it all die. That doesn't mean, however, that it wasn't a good idea to call you on it in the first place. 'Cause it was. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] We had a couple of casual games tonight, and I checked with Attila. It seems that you indeed asked him who I was, but you failed to mention that he told you, and you never made a move to actually meet me (I was waiting for my wife to pick me up outside the Fanyűvő, and was standing about 5 meters from where you guys were sitting). Well, next time. -- Bye, Daneel