Majesty ends combat with higher priority than other strikes. That part we
understand. What happens to complicated strikes when it's the blocking
minion that plays majesty?
Case 1: Lydia attempts to bleed and gets blocked by Anson. Lydia pulls a
Zip Gun, uses its maneuver and shoots. Anson ends combat with Majesty.
The combat ends before Anson takes damage, but what happens to Lydia and
the Zip Gun?
(a) Lydia takes damage from her shoddy weapon
(b) Lydia keeps the gun, but takes no damage
(c) The gun returns to Lydia's controller
(The actual game play was worse. Lydia had prematurely declared that the
gun was loaded with Dragon Breath Rounds, so we got to argue about that,
too...until we read DBR and the rulebook. They went back into the
methuselah's hand.)
Case 2: As above, but Lydia pays one blood to strike with Blood Fury
instead. What happens to the Blood Fury card and that one blood when Anson
ends combat with Majesty?
(a) the blood is payed and the card is burned, having had no effect.
(b) the card is burned, but as the strike didn't have any effect,
Lydia gets her one blood back.
(c) the blood is returned to Lydia and the card to her controller.
You can easily think up more complex situations with concealed weapons or
whatever.
Mike Moore
mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Michael B. Moore) writes:
>Majesty ends combat with higher priority than other strikes. That part we
>understand. What happens to complicated strikes when it's the blocking
>minion that plays majesty?>Case 1: Lydia attempts to bleed and gets blocked by Anson. Lydia pulls a
>Zip Gun, uses its maneuver and shoots. Anson ends combat with Majesty.
>The combat ends before Anson takes damage, but what happens to Lydia and
>the Zip Gun?
> (a) Lydia takes damage from her shoddy weapon
> (b) Lydia keeps the gun, but takes no damage
> (c) The gun returns to Lydia's controller
(b) The combat ends as soon as Majesty is played, not before. This will
preclude and damage-dealing in the round, but not reverse what amounts
to an "equip" auto-action.
>(The actual game play was worse. Lydia had prematurely declared that the
>gun was loaded with Dragon Breath Rounds, so we got to argue about that,
>too...until we read DBR and the rulebook. They went back into the
>methuselah's hand.)>Case 2: As above, but Lydia pays one blood to strike with Blood Fury
>instead. What happens to the Blood Fury card and that one blood when Anson
>ends combat with Majesty?
> (a) the blood is payed and the card is burned, having had no effect.
> (b) the card is burned, but as the strike didn't have any effect,
> Lydia gets her one blood back.
> (c) the blood is returned to Lydia and the card to her controller.
(a) you may use any strike, including one that you pay for. Once paid for,
that's your strike. If it doesn't deal damage (or go off, whichever), tough.
>You can easily think up more complex situations with concealed weapons or
>whatever.
Majesty = immediate end to combat. No more strikes (Blur, etc.) no stealing
weapons, no damage from a drawn-out beast(superior), no damage from
a Wolf Companion nor Murder of Crows, no nothing. Just don't reverse anything
that's been (legally) played.
L. Scott
>Mike Moore
mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Michael B. Moore) writes:
>Majesty ends combat with higher priority than other strikes. That part we
I LOVE Majesty. Cool way to irritate Brujah and Tremere combat decks.
>understand. What happens to complicated strikes when it's the blocking
>minion that plays majesty?>Case 1: Lydia attempts to bleed and gets blocked by Anson. Lydia pulls a
>Zip Gun, uses its maneuver and shoots. Anson ends combat with Majesty.
>The combat ends before Anson takes damage, but what happens to Lydia and
>the Zip Gun?
> (a) Lydia takes damage from her shoddy weapon
No. Combat Ends stops the combat before the Strike Resolution Phase.
> (b) Lydia keeps the gun, but takes no damage
Yes. The gun came out in play before strikes were declared, therefore it stays
in play. No damage occurs because no damage is ever inflicted when Combat Ends.
> (c) The gun returns to Lydia's controller
No. The gun was in play before the strikes.
>(The actual game play was worse. Lydia had prematurely declared that the
>gun was loaded with Dragon Breath Rounds, so we got to argue about that,
>too...until we read DBR and the rulebook. They went back into the
>methuselah's hand.)
Then Lydia's Methuselah pulled the wool over the other Methuselah's eyes. Cards
played as part of a strike (even prematurely) are used when the strike is
declared. Combat Ends just means that the damage won't take effect. Taking the
card back would not have been allowed in our group.
>Case 2: As above, but Lydia pays one blood to strike with Blood Fury
>instead. What happens to the Blood Fury card and that one blood when Anson
>ends combat with Majesty?
> (a) the blood is payed and the card is burned, having had no effect.
Yes. You did your strike -- it just has no effect. Why do you still have to
pay the blood? 7.2 Cost of Playing Cards:
"The number in the drop is the cost in blood counters that you must pay to the
blood bank in order to play that card."
Playing a card is defined as "placing it in the playing area", so in order to
move the card from the hand to the table (as your strike) you had to pay the
cost.
> (b) the card is burned, but as the strike didn't have any effect,
> Lydia gets her one blood back.
> (c) the blood is returned to Lydia and the card to her controller.>You can easily think up more complex situations with concealed weapons or
>whatever.
And the rule of thumb is: play the combat by the numbers -- don't skip phases
because you are excited (conquer the beast within) and make the acting minion
play their cards first.
Regarding the concealed weapons and such, this is a pre-strike action. Disguised
weapon (superior) can be played during the strike. Again the strike occurs, but
no damage or effects will result from it, but cards used or brought into play
stay in play..
>Mike Moore
Dale Hurtt
dhu...@tanis.ess.harris.com
In article <dhurtt.791254227@tanis> dhurtt@tanis (Dale Hurtt) writes:
>mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Michael B. Moore) writes:>>Majesty ends combat with higher priority than other strikes.>>>Case 1: Lydia attempts to bleed and gets blocked by Anson. Lydia pulls a
>>Zip Gun, uses its maneuver and shoots. Anson ends combat with Majesty.
>>The combat ends before Anson takes damage, but what happens to Lydia and
>>the Zip Gun?>>(The actual game play was worse. Lydia had prematurely declared that the
>>gun was loaded with Dragon Breath Rounds, so we got to argue about that,
>>too...until we read DBR and the rulebook. They went back into the
>>methuselah's hand.)>
>Then Lydia's Methuselah pulled the wool over the other Methuselah's
>eyes. Cards played as part of a strike (even prematurely) are used when
>the strike is declared. Combat Ends just means that the damage won't take
>effect. Taking the card back would not have been allowed in our group.
Read the text to DBR -- it says something to the effect of "Play when
damage is resolved." Majesty ends combat before that phase occurs.
Mike