[LSJ] Fortitude v Thaumaturgy, FT vs Rolling w Punches.

Two fairly simple questions. 1) Opponent plays Blood Fury. Can I play Hidden Strength? Blood Fury says "cannot be prevented", does this indicate the card can't be played? Or that it'll have no effect? 2) I have a CEL minion with a Flamethrower. The opposing Minion plays Rolling with the Punches SUP/Skin of Steel SUP. Can I Additional Strike and Rotschreck? Or because the prevent is already in place, it supplants the capacity to use Rotschreck? Morgan Vening

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:37:00 +1000, Morgan Vening <mor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >Two fairly simple questions. >1) Opponent plays Blood Fury. Can I play Hidden Strength? . No. You cannot play damage prevention cards when you cannot prevent damage. >Blood Fury says "cannot be prevented", does this indicate the card can't be >played? Or that it'll have no effect? That it cannot be played. >2) I have a CEL minion with a Flamethrower. The opposing Minion plays >Rolling with the Punches SUP/Skin of Steel SUP. Can I Additional >Strike and Rotschreck? Absolutely. >Or because the prevent is already in place, it >supplants the capacity to use Rotschreck? Rotschreck does not care how the victim vampire will handle the damage. Rotschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage (with a strike that is effective at the current range). See also the FAQ, section 3.5. http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm 3.5. Can Rötschreck still be played... Can Rötschreck still be played at long range while the reacting minion declares an aggravated hand strike? No. Cannot be used if the "attempt to use aggravated damage" is not applicable at the current range. The most common example is an aggravated hand strike done at long range. Can I play a Rotschrek if I am attempting to do 0 aggravated hand damage? No. Minion A announced his Ivory Bow as a strike, and the opposing Minion B played Blood Rage. Can Rötschreck be played on Minion B? Yes. Blood Rage does not resolve before the Strike Announcement phase, which is when you play Rotschreck, so Rotschreck can still be played. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion plays a Strike: Combat Ends? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, not whether or not the strike will successfully resolve. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion is treating aggravated damage as normal damage? What if they played a Skin of Night, Armor of Terra, or Adaptability? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, not whether or not the vampire receiving the damage can prevent it or treat it as normal damage. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion has a Flak Jacket, Leather Jacket, or some other way to prevent the damage? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, and the damage resolution stage is never reached. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com Your best online source for information about V:TES. Now also featuring individual card sales and sales of booster and starter box displays.

Morgan Vening wrote: > Two fairly simple questions. > > 1) Opponent plays Blood Fury. Can I play Hidden Strength? Blood Fury > says "cannot be prevented", does this indicate the card can't be > played? Or that it'll have no effect? > See 6.4.6 of rulebook. You play prevention cards to prevent damage if possible. Since you cannot prevent Blood Fury with Fortitude, the condition for playing Hidden Strength does not exist. You are not taking any preventable damage. In otherwords you cannot prevent '0' damage. '0' in this case means '0' preventable by fortitude. > 2) I have a CEL minion with a Flamethrower. The opposing Minion plays > Rolling with the Punches SUP/Skin of Steel SUP. Can I Additional > Strike and Rotschreck? Or because the prevent is already in place, it > supplants the capacity to use Rotschreck? > Actually Rotschreck is played when you announce the aggravated damage strike. So the opposing minion will not be able to play damage prevention first. You play it when you attempt the strike. Master: out-of-turn. <Frenzy.> Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal. During this vampire's next untap phase, burn this card. David

On 27 Jun 2005 21:01:06 -0700, "quetzalcoatl" <da...@vega.id.au> wrote: >> 2) I have a CEL minion with a Flamethrower. The opposing Minion plays >> Rolling with the Punches SUP/Skin of Steel SUP. Can I Additional >> Strike and Rotschreck? Or because the prevent is already in place, it >> supplants the capacity to use Rotschreck? > >Actually Rotschreck is played when you announce the aggravated damage >strike. So the opposing minion will not be able to play damage >prevention first. You play it when you attempt the strike. My point here, was that the opponent had already played the Damage Prevention. The tactic was more "Well, if he doesn't have DP, I don't have to waste Rotschreck. If he does have DP, I can Add Strike and still annoy him." Just looking at ways to bleed Damage Prevention cards out of hand. Morgan Vening

The Lasombra wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:37:00 +1000, Morgan Vening >>1) Opponent plays Blood Fury. Can I play Hidden Strength? . > > No. > You cannot play damage prevention cards when you cannot prevent > damage. > >>Blood Fury says "cannot be prevented", does this indicate the card can't be >>played? Or that it'll have no effect? > > That it cannot be played. Correct. Damage prevention can only be played when there is (preventable) damage to prevent. >>2) I have a CEL minion with a Flamethrower. The opposing Minion plays >>Rolling with the Punches SUP/Skin of Steel SUP. Can I Additional >>Strike and Rotschreck? > > Absolutely. > >>Or because the prevent is already in place, it >>supplants the capacity to use Rotschreck? > > Rotschreck does not care how the victim vampire will handle the > damage. > > Rotschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage (with > a strike that is effective at the current range). > > See also the FAQ, section 3.5. > > http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm Correct. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Morgan Vening" <mor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:e9v1c1lbojnu7pksr...@4ax.com... [ quoted text not captured ] >Vening How can they DP when the combat hasn't reached that step (and with Rotschek, it won't reach that step) As soon as you whip out the aggro-damage your Rotschek sends them psycho and freaks them out. (aka fear frenzy)

[ quoted text not captured ] Which is why he was asking about playing a normal strike, letting them play damage prevention, then additional striking with agg damage and Rotschreck'ing the additional strike - since he's planning to Rots anyway, he might as well play some normal strikes first, to suck out the damage prevention so they won't have it for later combats when he doesn't have a Rots in hand. -John Flournoy

On 28 Jun 2005 10:55:33 -0700, "John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > My point here, was that the opponent had already played the Damage >> > Prevention. The tactic was more "Well, if he doesn't have DP, I don't >> > have to waste Rotschreck. If he does have DP, I can Add Strike and >> > still annoy him." >> >> How can they DP when the combat hasn't reached that step (and with Rotschek, >> it won't reach that step) >> >> As soon as you whip out the aggro-damage your Rotschek sends them psycho and >> freaks them out. (aka fear frenzy) > >Which is why he was asking about playing a normal strike, letting them >play damage prevention, then additional striking with agg damage and >Rotschreck'ing the additional strike - since he's planning to Rots >anyway, he might as well play some normal strikes first, to suck out >the damage prevention so they won't have it for later combats when he >doesn't have a Rots in hand. That's it, pretty much. And given that Rotschreck is a Master OOT, if I can send him to torpor the old fashioned way, it means the potential for multiple Block/Maneuever/Flame. I blow the Rot on the first, they know I can't do it again. Typically, I'd want to keep the Rot for the Strike:CE. Morgan Vening